What Do You Think?

[throwemaway 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($35.25)Hero ($54.10)BB ($22.35)UTG ($17.70)MP ($32.15)CO ($21.10)Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, A. 2 folds, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: ($1.50) T, J, A(3 players)Hero bets $1.5, BB folds, CO calls $1.50.Turn: ($4.50) 9(2 players)Hero bets $2, CO calls $2.River: ($8.50) 2(2 players)Hero?Final Pot: $8.50I think I should have bet a bit bigger on the turn, but didn't want to lose him either...If he had king queen, he already got there, so I'm not worried about that..I dont think villain would have limped in late pos with Ace 10 or Ace jack..I don't really want to bet 6 bucks on the river and have him come in for a huge raise, although I'm fairly certain I'm ahead..What do you think?

[Jordan 1]

check/call would be a fine line here.i don't think we are losing much value from a hand like KJ/QJ which shouldn't be calling any river bet anyways.oh, and think about raising this up preflop sometimes. and bet more on the turn.- Jordan

[Scott3705 0]

What's he coming over the top w/? I can't find a hand that's beating you.

[Whiskey16 1]

check/call would be a fine line here.i don't think we are losing much value from a hand like KJ/QJ which shouldn't be calling any river bet anyways.oh, and think about raising this up preflop sometimes. and bet more on the turn.- Jordan

Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but it seems like check/call against a presumably weak opponent at this level has the potential to lose a lot of value.I think if the Button is playing optimally, then I'd guess you wouldn't expect a call with the holdings you're suggesting, but I find at these levels, you'll get paid off on a value bet with poor holdings like you suggest, or even a JT or T9 that didn't raise their two pair.Overall, I think check/call would be right against a sophisticated player, but at the .25/.50 level, I'd think a 1/2 pot bet would be more profitable in the long run. If he's got any reasonable holding here, he's obviously weak if he's not raising in the CO 6 handed. Would someone that weak preflop really bluff at this board on the river?Is thinking about it with respect the level the wrong way to think about it?

[Scott3705 0]

what sort of player doesn't raise kq, aa 1010 or jj in th Co preflop here?

[thenamezjohn 0]

check/call would be a fine line here.i don't think we are losing much value from a hand like KJ/QJ which shouldn't be calling any river bet anyways.oh, and think about raising this up preflop sometimes. and bet more on the turn.- Jordan

im pretty new to the game.. so please correct me with your analysis if im wrong.. but why would you want to raise A-9o OOP?

[Jordan 1]

im pretty new to the game.. so please correct me with your analysis if im wrong.. but why would you want to raise A-9o OOP?

take the pot down there. OP open limped. probably is weak and most likely folds any flop that comes with a face card and we bet. also builds our image as aggressive and not nittish. meaning when we raise outta the blinds it's not always going to be AK AA KK QQ JJ etc...keeps people guessing and makes you a tougher opponent to play.although at $50 nl obviously you don't always need to be worried about these things cuz rarely will anyone else be paying attention...but to me A9 ATs or offsuit is going to be better than a random CO limped hand at this level. I don't always raise here and wouldn't recommend it to be done everytime, but it's def. something i raise.--going back to river play. i'm fine with betting this as well for 3/4 the pot or so and trying to intice a call at this call. but i also see check/calling as a fine as well.point of check/calling here for me in this case, is a) to see what kinda hand my opponent open limps, and if he bets rivers with 2nd pair, etc. and to pick up bluffs that he'd fold to a river bet. with no read we really dont know what villian is going to do on the river, so if we simply want info we can choose a checking route, which may get checked behind, but we gain info.if we bet say $7 and we get a fold, i guess we could assume of a few hands he has and that kinda sux, or if we bet $7 and he calls anyways with say KJ or something, well that's the most optimal result.i really have no problem with betting this river, but against an unknown i'd sometimes simply check to gain info for later.- Jordan

[Whiskey16 1]

i really have no problem with betting this river, but against an unknown i'd sometimes simply check to gain info for later. - Jordan

Valid point. I hadn't thought about that. Thanks.

[throwemaway 0]

take the pot down there. OP open limped. probably is weak and most likely folds any flop that comes with a face card and we bet. also builds our image as aggressive and not nittish. meaning when we raise outta the blinds it's not always going to be AK AA KK QQ JJ etc...keeps people guessing and makes you a tougher opponent to play.although at $50 nl obviously you don't always need to be worried about these things cuz rarely will anyone else be paying attention...but to me A9 ATs or offsuit is going to be better than a random CO limped hand at this level. I don't always raise here and wouldn't recommend it to be done everytime, but it's def. something i raise.--going back to river play. i'm fine with betting this as well for 3/4 the pot or so and trying to intice a call at this call. but i also see check/calling as a fine as well.point of check/calling here for me in this case, is a) to see what kinda hand my opponent open limps, and if he bets rivers with 2nd pair, etc. and to pick up bluffs that he'd fold to a river bet. with no read we really dont know what villian is going to do on the river, so if we simply want info we can choose a checking route, which may get checked behind, but we gain info.if we bet say $7 and we get a fold, i guess we could assume of a few hands he has and that kinda sux, or if we bet $7 and he calls anyways with say KJ or something, well that's the most optimal result.i really have no problem with betting this river, but against an unknown i'd sometimes simply check to gain info for later.- Jordan

Your spot on there and that was my thinking during the hand...I decided to check and evaluate the situation if he bet...He did, the size of the pot (8 bucks) and I thought for a bit and called, putting him on a weak ace or a second pair....He did indeed have second pair, King 10... Thanks for the input guys, I'm pretty sure the c/c line was the best option, or a good one at that

[Scott3705 0]

Your spot on there and that was my thinking during the hand...I decided to check and evaluate the situation if he bet...He did, the size of the pot (8 bucks) and I thought for a bit and called, putting him on a weak ace or a second pair....He did indeed have second pair, King 10... Thanks for the input guys, I'm pretty sure the c/c line was the best option, or a good one at that

I'm going to go and strongly disagree with you here. The only valid point is to check for information which is what Jordan has put out there. Fine, but I'm never going give advice on the board to check for information, and also, hands that you post for advice, I don't think that should ever be a consideration as well. If we remove this piece... C/Cing an unkown is absolutely horrendous here. You are behind absolutely nothing and can't be sure he's ever going to bet because he is an unknown. The river play is extremely bad. (unless you check to see his cards, but I don't know why you would post a hand where you were checking for information)