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[KDawgCometh]

was the flop CR a good idea? should I have check called the turn? UTG was very loose and capable of playing any face card with a crap kicker, and will riase with second pairParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [8 :spade: ], [3 :spade: ]. UTG calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (6 SB) [9 :heart: ], [A :spade: ], [7 :spade: ] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [5 :club: ] (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero calls.River: (11.50 BB) [2 :club: ] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 12.50 BB

[gobears]

KDawgCometh said:

was the flop CR a good idea? should I have check called the turn? UTG was very loose and capable of playing any face card with a crap kicker, and will riase with second pairParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [8 :spade: ], [3 :spade: ]. UTG calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (6 SB) [9 :heart: ], [A :spade: ], [7 :spade: ] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [5 :club: ] (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero calls.River: (11.50 BB) [2 :club: ] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 12.50 BB

C/R seems fine as no one besides UTG is showing strength. He has to at least think that you could have two-pair or trips.On the turn, the 5 isn't going to scare anybody. From your description of UTG, he's not folding so I would have checked and hopefully kept more players in for only one bet from UTG. Maybe MP2 and SB stay for one more bet instead of two so that you get paid more if you hit your flush draw.

[wrto4556]

Check the turn!Didn't you read the article on our blog about turn play?

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

Check the turn!Didn't you read the article on our blog about turn play?

yes I did. I'm now gonna hang my head in shame. I think I'm gonna need to write what not to do when your having a series of frustrating sessions

[Smasharoo]

Betting this turn is terrible.You knew that, though, but were blinded by the possiblity of fold equity I'm thinking.

[KDawgCometh]

Smasharoo said:

Betting this turn is terrible.You knew that, though, but were blinded by the possiblity of fold equity I'm thinking.

yup

[Awful]

KDawgCometh said:

was the flop CR a good idea? should I have check called the turn? UTG was very loose and capable of playing any face card with a crap kicker, and will riase with second pairParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with [8 :spade: ], [3 :spade: ]. UTG calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (6 SB) [9 :heart: ], [A :spade: ], [7 :spade: ] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) [5 :club: ] (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero calls.River: (11.50 BB) [2 :club: ] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Preflop: fine. Check suited garbage for freeFlop hit you nicely, the only worthwile draw. Only way to improve it is make the 9h an 8h . Checkraise UTG not because UTG is a loose raiser (in fact, that should diminish your check-raising because of the possibility of being 3-bet and losing too many potential subsequent-round callers) but because he had 3 other callers. It's a value raise assuming the flush outs are nut outs. If you get 4 callers with 2 to come and a flush draw, you've made money. I might not C/R him given your read due to the three-bet suddenly restricting the pot to heads-up... I'm surprised by the button folding to the checkraise in that pot, which came to them with 15 to 1 odds offered and them in for 1 each already...Turn: How much will UTG fold? Fold equity is your only value here, as there are too few players for plays based on your hand's true showdown pot equity (you'd need over 4 callers now with 1 to come, 9 outs) and the chance of a raise from UTG when you bet into him getting it heads-up, with no ability to put people in the middle to call extra bets. Call is of course fine since the pot has 10.5BB back to you for 1BB.River check-fold is standard. No need to discuss.Only problem is betting directly into a loose raising flop bettor with a draw and noone between you to put in a bet to compensate the pot odds a bit. Check-call that turn, pray for a spade. If button also called flop, you may want to go for a second checkraise (!), depending on turn callers.EDIT: Misread SB as folding flop as opposed to folding the raised turn. Now fixed; didn't change too too much.