Blind Battle #2

[Verdimme 0]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 2. 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (2 SB) 6, 8, 9(2 players)Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.Turn: (3 BB) J(2 players)Hero bets, BB calls.River: (5 BB) 7(2 players)Hero checks, BB bets, Hero folds.Final Pot: 6 BBLooks good? Villain is your typical 2/4 opponent. Not very good, but not horrible.

[hotbacon 0]

erI raise PFThe flop c/r is pretty bad. The pot is 2 SB and although you may have the "best" hand right now, almost any hand that you're ahead of is drawing very live, while you're drawing super super thin if he has you beat.After limping PF, c/f the flopTurn bet is eh. You kinda haev to I guess, but about a million draws are calling and on the river you'll be forced to check any non-2 card, and he'll often bluff. So you're kinda committing 2BB vs his range.Betting is ok as played though I guessriver good

[Steppin Razor 0]

Don't mind the PF limp, but have to agree with check/fold the flop. A less coordinated flop and your c/r may be a good semi bluff.

[greatwhite 0]

Limping preflop is fine, but I'm raising any tight blind. Check-fold this terrible flop.

[Verdimme 0]

Hmm.I'm surprised by the replies.Look at it this way: BB has any two cards..if you check to the BB on the flop..they will bet 99% of the time. They miss the flop 2/3 of the time..so I figured I'm probably good here.

[greatwhite 0]

Hmm.I'm surprised by the replies.Look at it this way: BB has any two cards..if you check to the BB on the flop..they will bet 99% of the time. They miss the flop 2/3 of the time..so I figured I'm probably good here.

Maybe, but since you limped preflop you are getting only 2-1 odds. Sure you are a favorite with any 2 cards, but is it worth it to go to war with this hand OOP?

[jayboogie 0]

What hands is he folding to a check/raise on this flop? Overs is peeling with the odds you've created. A draw is calling another bet, so yeah pretty much nothing folds other than 43 and junk like that.Either bet/fold this flop or check/fold

[AlphaOmega 0]

That flop is awful for your hand. True, you are going to get bluffed here, but even against a bluff your hand does not have that much equity. You have to dodge overcards, and the draw heavy nature of the board is going to often permit your opponent to see you to the river. This makes continuing in the hand expensive, and you are OOP with no visibility. This means you are often going to be making mistakes on the turn and river by continuing with this hand.So I think you should check/fold the flop. That pot is TINY, and you have invested 0.5 SB into it.That said, I think a better alternative is to raise pre-flop. Your hand has good equity since you will often either take this down pre-flop or take it down on the flop with a continu-bet. If you had, say, pocket eights, I could see open limping as being less disastrous, since you'll have much better post-flop visibility. That said, you'd be better off raising that pre-flop too.Edit: I think the line that would work best with simply completing pre-flop is bet/folding the flop.

[econ_tim 0]

i don't think deuces are a good completing hand since there are virtually no good flops for you, the fold equity from raising preflop (either by getting the BB to fold preflop or on the flop) is the reason you can play the hand at all.

[CoranMoran 0]

What are we hoping for when we simply complete with this?22 is not a hand that is going to improve.Playing it for set value heads up isn't a good play.So push it while you have an advantage.And that is preflop.

i don't think deuces are a good completing handsince there are virtually no good flops for you, the fold equity from raising preflop (either by getting the BB to fold preflop or on the flop) is the reason you can play the hand at all.

Yes Indeedy!

Look at it this way: BB has any two cards..if you check to the BB on the flop..they will bet 99% of the time. They miss the flop 2/3 of the time..so I figured I'm probably good here.

People miss 2/3 of random flops.People will certainly not miss this coordinated flop 2/3 of the time.Any 5,6,7,8,9,T caught a piece.And all face cards remain overcards.And Flush draws exist.It seems that the only hands that do not connect with this flop at all are 43, 42, 32.So as has already been mentioned, there is no need to bluff this flop.Another thing I don't understand is the inconsistency between your preflop and flop decisions.When you decide to passively limp preflop, why would you then choose to aggressively bluff check-raise the flop?Wouldn't you have a lot more fold equity if you had just raised before the flop and then made a continuation bet?--cm

[Verdimme 0]

People miss 2/3 of random flops.People will certainly not miss this coordinated flop 2/3 of the time.Any 5,6,7,8,9,T caught a piece.And all face cards remain overcards.And Flush draws exist.It seems that the only hands that do not connect with this flop at all are 43, 42, 32.So as has already been mentioned, there is no need to bluff this flop.

Yeah, good points. I decided to get tricky and c/r any flop because they always bet when checked to, but due to fold equity and pot odds the play sucks.