Calling For Value.

[goose 0]

I don't have the HH, but the hand went something like this - $1/$2 NL and I have 84 in the BB, 5 limpers.Flop - 88A (two clubs).I lead out with a $12 bet, get two callers. Very confident I'm ahead. Turn comes (bleh) an A. I check, guy goes all-in for $6.50 into a $24 pot, one fold, and then I?Should I be making this call everytime? I'm 90% sure he has the A, but because he's shortstacked should I be auto-calling this? If so, at what point do you think it becomes wise not to call.

[throwemaway 0]

I don't have the HH, but the hand went something like this - $1/$2 NL and I have 84 in the BB, 5 limpers.Flop - 88A (two clubs).I lead out with a $12 bet, get two callers. Very confident I'm ahead. Turn comes (bleh) an A. I check, guy goes all-in for $6.50 into a $24 pot, one fold, and then I?Should I be making this call everytime? I'm 90% sure he has the A, but because he's shortstacked should I be auto-calling this? If so, at what point do you think it becomes wise not to call.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the pot $46?Pf: 5 limpers x $2=10flop: $12 x 3 =36??If my figures are correct, and he goes all in making the pot 52, I'm calling...Getting 8:1

[tapeworm 0]

Yes. Given your description, the pot is like $52.5 after his bet. $6.5 into a $52 pot is good enough for 90% certainty you are behind to one out. (its an immediate 8-1 odds and and you need 9-1, so close enough)You might a messed up the the flop betting? but anyways I would call with a smaller pot. Even if putting him on an ace with 90% certainty sounds good, I think it is a slight exaggeration and you don't want to be bluffed out here for $6 which is just 3BB.EDIT: now, when to fold? Not goign to try to get too emperical with my answer, but I guess with 90% certainty of being behind you should fold here mathwise(unless our 1 outer tips the scale), but folding to 3BB seems idiotic no matter how big the pot and I think 90% is a bit high. Assuming a $50 pot and a very high certainty of being behind(>80%), I guess I would fold to a $20 bet.(with 80% certainty, the cutoff is around $16). Also, this may be me being spiteful/stubborn, but since I put $12 in on the flop, I don't feel like folding for less than $12 on the turn. Between $12 and $20, its up to you, but I say call more than fold, cause its a marginal difference and folding the winner sucks. You can always reload and take this sucker out later(who sits with $20 in a $1-$2 game??)Really, this sounds like a limit hold'm type question though since you are often faced with really high odds when you know you are behind, but limit is a game I suck at so my adice could be off.. I geuss that is one reason shortstacks strategy sometiems works is cause of suckers like me. In NL, I usually let poeple bleed smallish bets off me in situations like this since I feel the information is valuable and and cost of losing a whole pot to too big. Sometiems I call a minimum bet with like 5 high on the river in a big pot, just to see waht a guy was raising with, noing I have 0% cahnce of winning.

[Dratj 0]

Call due to odds but you are probably beat.

[goose 0]

ya I messed the math up there, I play on tigergaming so getting HH's are a pain.anyway, is there a good rule of thumb for determining what odds you need to call here?