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[Rocketwadster]

FullTiltPoker Game #648063450: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (4261422), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:35:40 ET - 2006/05/19
Seat 2: Rocketwadster (1,230)
Seat 3: Neslo (920)
Seat 4: resulo (895)
Seat 5: Villain (2,070)
Seat 6: TREE_RN (3,885)
Neslo posts the small blind of 30
resulo posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ad Qd]
Villain raises to 180 (Notes: Twice I raised his BB with hands like Ace ten, and he pushed (which made me fold). He didn't show either time, and the other hands he has gone to showdown on were quality hands. That's all I know about him. Those were the only two hands I have played so far (except the blinds.)
TREE_RN folds
Rocketwadster calls 180 (Just a call in position with a strong suited ace)
Neslo folds
resulo folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 6s 9s]
Villain bets 300
Rocketwadster calls 300

I was sorta trapping here, hoping he bet on the turn and I was going to push back, barring a King showing up or the board pairing 9's/6's AND a spade.

*** TURN *** [Qc 6s 9s] [Td]
Villain bets 1,590, and is all in
Rocketwadster ?????

Not the situation I was planning for the turn. Aces/Kings may push there to make any straight/flush draws pay. A made straight may also push there, to make a flush pay to draw out. I can beat a lot of hands that would raise pre-flop (A K, A J, pocket jacks, etc), but is this the spot to be gambling? I am confident in my skills to be able to play a short stack against this table, so I am not against folding here.

Thoughts?

[shpaget]

My first immediate thought was he has QK.

I also think he believes you are weak and may be on a flush draw, so he could do this with AJ, AT even.

And he may be pushing you around.

I have no problem calling here...but would not object to a fold, except you may be susceptible to more bullying from him.

[Rocketwadster]

except you may be susceptible to more bullying from him.

I agree.

[throwemaway]

I HATE the flat call on the flop...I would raise here and find out where were at

What would you have done if a spade, K, or the board paired on the turn( which we'll discount, but still) and he bet out even stronger?

[Mandor2005]

I would have raised post flop.

You just called the flop hoping he would be the turn. Now he best the turn and now what? Is you q good?

I wouldn't slow play this hand after the flop there are a lot of ways you god be beat on the turn. Throw the raise on the flop to see where you stand.

[Rocketwadster]

I HATE the flat call on the flop...I would raise here and find out where were at

I would have raised post flop.
Throw the raise on the flop to see where you stand.

I dont think raising here does anything to define our hand against an agressive opponent (see my note son him in OP). Had I raised his flop bet, he most likely would have pushed, then what? Fold? Call?

This isn't some calling-station or a mouse Im playing against, so I don't know what to do (hence the post).

[shpaget]

I dont think raising here does anything to define our hand against an agressive opponent (see my note son him in OP). Had I raised his flop bet, he most likely would have pushed, then what? Fold? Call?

This isn't some calling-station or a mouse Im playing against, so I don't know what to do (hence the post).

I think with your chipstack and this flop you're in it for the long haul - I probably push on the flop, simply to protect against a flush draw, but I have no problem with the trap against an aggressive player.

I am NOT afraid of a made straight here.

I think you're winning, and dodging a lot of cards.

[Actuary]

push the flop.

easy.

750 in the pot, you have 1050.
Your M = ~12

if you can't push this flop, don't call preflop.
if that turn and his push is too scary to deal with, don't flat call the flop.

I only see raising the flop to someithng less than a push, if he is a maniac/bad player (which he does not appear to be) and thus you are safely ahead. But against him, I'd rather let him make the decisions. I find overbetting works pretty well. AKT flop, 2 hearts, I raise preflop with AK, 3 way action. 1st guy leads out for 2/3 pot, I push for 4x pot...he calls with Kx. Countless other examples

[Rocketwadster]

You think enough hands that we are ahead of here will call our push (all hands that are beating us are going to be calling)? We don't want to discourage action from hands that are drawing slim, BUT, we also don't want to be making a mistake ourselves (our opponent raised pre-flop from EP).

I'm still torn.

[Actuary]

You think enough hands that we are ahead of here will call our push

no.
I think most hands fold.
Good.
We win 750. We need 750.

We are too strong to fold now given pot and stacks.

[shpaget]

You think enough hands that we are ahead of here will call our push (all hands that are beating us are going to be calling)? We don't want to discourage action from hands that are drawing slim, BUT, we also don't want to be making a mistake ourselves (our opponent raised pre-flop from EP).

I'm still torn.

You're happy to take this pot now...though doubling up is nice, take what you can when you can.

And if you get called by QK, QJ, flush draw, OESD, and your hand holds up, great.

[gregdon8]

I agree with Acutary. I push the flop there. From previous plays, (only played two pots and folded to his reraises) he might see you as a player he can push off hands.

Against, a player like him I would take control of the hand on the flop. Put the pressure on him to make decisions. I cant count how many times I have seen a player call with 10's, 8's, JJ's etc.

Even if he folds thats fine with the pot size what it is. Adding close to 800 there is nice

[Rocketwadster]

no.
I think most hands fold.
Good.
We win 750. We need 750.

We are too strong to fold now given pot and stacks.

Really? Its still early (look at the blinds), and if I fold here I still have chips, which isnt a situation I want to be in, but it isnt the end of the world.

I'm trying to find an excuse to fold here, but it doesn't seem correct based on everyone's comments.

I called.

He showed pocket kings. I'm out.

In this particular hand, it didnt matter when the money went in (pre-flop, flop, turn), all of his chips were going in. It appears that mine were going in as well (unless I raised pre-flop and he pushed, then I MAY have been able to lay it down).

[Actuary]

I"m kinda surprised you called a EP raise with AQs from a big stack who has shown to be a decent/aggressive player.
I'd call, of course, but surpiseed you did.

yeah, pos, sure, but it's not like you have a lots of chips to be using pos in a 450t pot and 1000 chips left... you have one street to mess with.

So given your M, don't you have to trust TPTK or if Ace flopped TP2K to be the best hand, and play it accordingly post flop.

Otherwise, fold preflop.

[Rocketwadster]

I"m kinda surprised you called a EP raise with AQs from a big stack who has shown to be a decent/aggressive player.
I'd call, of course, but surpiseed you did.

yeah, pos, sure, but it's not like you have a lots of chips to be using pos in a 450t pot and 1000 chips left... you have one street to mess with.

So given your M, don't you have to trust TPTK or if Ace flopped TP2K to be the best hand, and play it accordingly post flop.

Otherwise, fold preflop.

In regards to the pre-flop call - Im not as weak-tight as I sometimes come across in this forum...lol

I WAS trusting my hand to be good enough (as I did call the push) on the turn, I just felt at the time that I could possibly get some more chips off someone who didnt have me beat from the git-go.