CoranMoran 0 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A. 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) Q, A, 5(3 players)SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) J(3 players)SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, SB calls.River: (10.50 BB) 7(3 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.Final Pot: 13.50 BB============================================ I was planning on raising a safe turn card.Reads: SB tended to make loose bets with less than the best hand.BB was had not played many hands himself.But I believe he was familiar with SB's style and may be raising to isolate.Nevertheless, I could certainly be behind on the turn.Is there any motive to 3bet here?Or is passively calling down the best option?Please Advise.--cm Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 If this was HU, I like your plan. However, I'd like to raise the flop here and extract immediate value. As played, I fold the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Yeah. Raise the flop for value. Also, you define your hand alot better to play the later streets well. HU I wouldn't mind. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 Agreed. You want to find out where you stand. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted May 21, 2006 Share Posted May 21, 2006 ============================================ I was planning on raising a safe turn card.Reads: SB tended to make loose bets with less than the best hand.BB was had not played many hands himself.But I believe he was familiar with SB's style and may be raising to isolate.Nevertheless, I could certainly be behind on the turn.Is there any motive to 3bet here?Or is passively calling down the best option?Please Advise.--cmI think folding is better than calling on this turn. You basically have to hope BB is doing this with A10, and I don't think you have enough of an overlay. You also aren't getting proper odds to outdraw anyone when you are behind, and there's RIO's since you need to call the river once you get there.I don't see three-betting as much of an option. It couldn't be for value since you are often at an equity deficit, and you don't have much fold equity against better hands.Raising the flop is a must. You have value here, and as Verdimme said, it goes a long way when it helps you play the turn and river better since each street is pretty important. Also, when you are the PFR, you don't want people to bet into you. From a game theory standpoint, you have much better equity when you are doing the betting and your opponents are calling, not the other way around. To discourage this, you should routinely raise when you hit the board and are donked into. I noticed that your plan was to raise a safe turn, and that's fine too, as that will also discourage people from betting into you. That's better reserved, however, for when you are HU and don't have someone equity sandwiched like you do on this flop. Link to post Share on other sites
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