Live Local Nl- 1-2 Game Crunch

[Men the Hellmuth 0]

ok heres the story. sorry theres no converter but this is a live game so ill try to include as much detail as possible.the game is a Local 1-2 NL cash game. The players in the game are mostly loose but passive . average stack in the game is at or around 100-200. i myself also have around 180 in chips in front of me. My table image is one of solid/aggressive, most players at the table respect my game and know who i am. Now onto the handi am in the SB with the Q/8 offsuit, one UTG limper and one middle position limper, i complete the blind and the BB checks. Flop comes 9 10 J rainbow. i check ( i normally lead out here but i decided to change up a little bit ). The BB bets 2 dollars ( i know, terrible but most of these players are ) the UTG Limper calls 2 bucks, other player folds and i now raise it to 12 bucks ( want to make a little money with the 2nd nuts and the pot was only about 10 bucks ) BB folds, and the UTG limper flats calls instantly. Turn card is the 5 , complete rainbow on the boardi now bet out 50 bucks ( there being about 32-36 bucks in the pot, i want to end the hand right there and i dont want to give him any correct odds on calling with a hand like Q/J or any hand like that ). The UTG limper now raises me 50 on top of my 50 bet. i hate the bet, it leaves him only about 40 bucks or so and if i call it also leaves me only about 50 bucks or so.....so now, i ask you. what do you do. i know your first instinct is to call or just go all in for the rest..but think about the whole hand and how it all played out. i will tell you what i was thinking and the outcome of the hand after a little while and some geniune feedback. thanks guys

[Jordan 1]

ok heres the story. sorry theres no converter but this is a live game so ill try to include as much detail as possible.the game is a Local 1-2 NL cash game. The players in the game are mostly loose but passive . average stack in the game is at or around 100-200. i myself also have around 180 in chips in front of me. My table image is one of solid/aggressive, most players at the table respect my game and know who i am. Now onto the handi am in the SB with the Q/8 offsuit, one UTG limper and one middle position limper, i complete the blind and the BB checks. Flop comes 9 10 J rainbow. i check ( i normally lead out here but i decided to change up a little bit ). The BB bets 2 dollars ( i know, terrible but most of these players are ) the UTG Limper calls 2 bucks, other player folds and i now raise it to 12 bucks ( want to make a little money with the 2nd nuts and the pot was only about 10 bucks ) BB folds, and the UTG limper flats calls instantly. Turn card is the 5 , complete rainbow on the boardi now bet out 50 bucks ( there being about 32-36 bucks in the pot, i want to end the hand right there and i dont want to give him any correct odds on calling with a hand like Q/J or any hand like that ). The UTG limper now raises me 50 on top of my 50 bet. i hate the bet, it leaves him only about 40 bucks or so and if i call it also leaves me only about 50 bucks or so.....so now, i ask you. what do you do. i know your first instinct is to call or just go all in for the rest..but think about the whole hand and how it all played out. i will tell you what i was thinking and the outcome of the hand after a little while and some geniune feedback. thanks guys

what are you thinking? he limped KQ?ok. I push this without a read and/or tell that tells me otherwise.if you had that, great. then you can fold..but as for how standard this hand is, we get it all in everytime.- Jordan

[Men the Hellmuth 0]

what are you thinking? he limped KQ?ok. I push this without a read and/or tell that tells me otherwise.if you had that, great. then you can fold..but as for how standard this hand is, we get it all in everytime.- Jordan

heres my read on the given situation... if he had flopped a set or top 2 he would of raised the BB's bet and or my raise in my opinion because he wouldnt want to give a cheap draw to a hand like q/j or something like that... so i narrowed it down that he couldnt have a set, 2 pair or even TPTK, so then i thought about it more, i also think he would of raised with a hand like 7/8 having flopped the ignorant end of the straight, and once again not wanting someone to draw to a cheap Q open ended.... so i also kicked that one out and it left only KQ in my opinion.... but ill still hold off on what i did for now..

[fckthis 0]

I think this is read dependent. Btw, I think OP hinted when he said loose..BUT passive. KQ could easily limp here. If a passive player raises you, Id fold. I honestly think it depends on the player. Is he a player who cold calls sets, frequentently slowplays or has no idea what he's doing?

[Men the Hellmuth 0]

I think this is read dependent. Btw, I think OP hinted when he said loose..BUT passive. KQ could easily limp here. If a passive player raises you, Id fold. I honestly think it depends on the player. Is he a player who cold calls sets, frequentently slowplays or has no idea what he's doing?

this was actually one player in the game who can be a bit tricky at times... but definately a player i can read and a player who is often afraid to make moves againist a player who he thinks is better then him ( i.e. me ) (( not trying to sound too cocky but... ))

[krup24 0]

Turn card is the 5 , complete rainbow on the boardi now bet out 50 bucks ( there being about 32-36 bucks in the pot, i want to end the hand right there and i dont want to give him any correct odds on calling with a hand like Q/J or any hand like that ). The UTG limper now raises me 50 on top of my 50 bet. i hate the bet, it leaves him only about 40 bucks or so and if i call it also leaves me only about 50 bucks or so.....

I don't really see why we want QJ to fold here. This hand is a very easy push, if he has QK so be it.

[Peak01 0]

Pots to big. I think you just have to push this with the odds you will be getting since you already put in another $50.