Is This A Leak?

[aim786 0]

In general, where should you be folding this? Flop or turn?Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, T. Hero raises, MP 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) 7, 5, 9(2 players)Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) 2(2 players)Hero checks, MP bets, Hero foldsI've adjusted the hand slightly, I actually caught an A on the turn here. My standard line is to peel the flop and fold the turn UI, but I think this is a leak. I'll post my thoughts afterwards.EDIT: Meh, this is a really stupid post by me. Calling flop and c/f turn UI is definitely better. My bad.

[econ_tim 0]

this really depends on MP3's 3-betting range if it is rather tight, you are almost certainly dominated and can check/fold the flop if he three bets a lot of hands, then peeling is OK

[PoppinFresh 0]

All read dependent, sometimes fold the flop sometimes the turn and sometimes calldown.

[hotbacon 0]

I fold flop vs an unknownWith a BDFD or a reade I'd peel.

[aim786 0]

Lol wow, this is gettin more discussion then I thought it would!I understand this situation is very read dependent, that's why I'm assuming a very general case. A "standard" 3-bet from MP preflop (at least this is what I believe) would be: 99+,ATs+,AQ+,KQsGiving this range to stove, I'm about a 3.8 to 1 dog. Getting 8.5 to 1 on the flop, is'nt this a clear call on the flop?

[hotbacon 0]

Lol wow, this is gettin more discussion then I thought it would!I understand this situation is very read dependent, that's why I'm assuming a very general case. A "standard" 3-bet from MP preflop (at least this is what I believe) would be: 99+,ATs+,AQ+,KQsGiving this range to stove, I'm about a 3.8 to 1 dog. Getting 8.5 to 1 on the flop, is'nt this a clear call on the flop?

Your hand ranges assume that you're all in if you call this bet so you get to see the turn and SD for free.But poker is centered around betting, not equity.This hand has heavy RIO because you're going to get lots of action from someone who has you dominated. Like if the turn is an A, you're only getting lots more action from a better kicker. If it's a T then you're only getting lots more action from overpairs.Given that we already have to signicificantly reduce your overcard outs due to being possible domination, AND you have reverse implied odds (ie negative implied odds), this hand is actually a clear fold IMO.

[econ_tim 0]

A "standard" 3-bet from MP preflop (at least this is what I believe) would be: 99+,ATs+,AQ+,KQs

against that range, i fold the flop because you aren't going to be able to play the turn and river correctly often enough (e.g. you won't know if you're ahead when turn a ten).

[LPY2005 0]

Your hand ranges assume that you're all in if you call this bet so you get to see the turn and SD for free.But poker is centered around betting, not equity.This hand has heavy RIO because you're going to get lots of action from someone who has you dominated. Like if the turn is an A, you're only getting lots more action from a better kicker. If it's a T then you're only getting lots more action from overpairs.Given that we already have to signicificantly reduce your overcard outs due to being possible domination, AND you have reverse implied odds (ie negative implied odds), this hand is actually a clear fold IMO.

What he said