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[DwayneWayne]

1-2NL game. Live.I have around $200 in front of me.I am in the BB and look down and see XdXs.3 limpers, Button....all call. SB Completes, and the BB checks.FLOP.3s-4s-6sSB ($240) leads out and bets 15. (He just sat down and didn't strike me for a player....first impression, thats all I had)I bump it and make it 50 to go.All fold back to SB who calls.Turn:10sSB leads out for $15I bump it and make it $30 to goSB calls.RiverJdSB leads out $15I bump it and make it $100 to go.SB calls.What do I have?What does he have?I would like to get responses on how it was played from both Points of View. Anything would be great....Thanks

[KDawgCometh]

I think you gota A2 with the Ace being the spade. I would be surprised if he had flopped a stragiht with one of them being a spade for the miracle straight flush spade for him to have the stone cold nuts if it hits

[DwayneWayne]

getting warm.....Hint....As was not in the hand.Neither was KsOr QsOr Js......

[rollito]

i've think you had As5d for the nut flush draw with the open ended straight draw.....could have been a 2,7 for and inside straight draw but from how much you pushed on the flopi gotta guess it was open ended....also the way the rest of the hand went i hope you had the As otherwise its somewhat of a suspect play.....the other guy is tougher without too much info.....but if you don't make him for a player it'd be hard to put him on floppin a straight......im guessing he flopped two pair

[Erudis]

without knowing either one of you or your tendencies or anything there's a lot of possibilities.I think I can assume that the As, Ks, Qs, 5s were either in the deck or in one of your two hands. You had spade/diamond so you didn't flop a set and if you had a pair you could only have had 1 pair. Making your most likely hand either a straight or a pair with a big spade.with him leading out, then calling big raises, and then continuing to lead out at the turn and river and calling a big raise again he might have had at the Ks or Qs (making flush at the turn) or he had something like 9s7s and flopped the flush (leading into the field on the flop to protect the small flush from bigger drawing spades). It's also possible that he flopped a straight or a set and considered your big raises too big to actually have the nuts. Since he didn't go all in over any of your raises (especially the river raise) I doubt the As was in his hand, but since he called it down he had to have had a very good hand (straight, set, flush).I'd say you most likely had a pair and a big spade; such as As or Ks with 6d or 4d or 3d. Less likely but possible is you had the 5s (open ended straight flush draw) with either a pair (3d 4d or 6d) or you had the 5s with the straight (2d or 7d). The size of each of your raises suggests to me that you had the As (power move on the flop, value move on the turn, value move on the river b/c you thought him willing to call 85 more).For me to have played the hand the way you did (without having the benefit of a good read on my opponent) I would probably have had the As with either the 6d 5d 4d or 3d.then again, As seems so obvious and not postworthy (ie, most posts of this kind are to talk about a great move/read someone has made w/o the nuts). If a friend asked me this I'd say you had As with either the 6d, 5d, 4d, or 3d. But in this case:Final guess: you had 5s 7d, he had a set of 4's (and luckily enough the As and Ks were left in the deck).

[ChuckSty]

my guess is crappy flush versus crappy straight

[DwayneWayne]

Well...crap v crap was how it went down.I flopped the straight with 2-5s, when he called the river he took a little while and finally called and turned over 6c7s.His 7 high flush took it down.I felt I played the hand to represent the big spade that he didn’t have. Not that my read was so on point with him but that fact that he made the calls all the way down made me think that I played the hand poorly and just got caught.Was the way I played the straight completely reckless? I couldn’t believe he made the call with a 7 high flush.

[Erudis]

well i was basically right about your hand. kudos to me!how you play that hand is conditioned 100% on two factors, your read of your opponent, and your read of your opponent's hand. Your read of his HAND being weak was correct, but what you were missing apparently was the read of the MAN. Either he is a good enough player to see you coming and read you perfectly there, or he's a fish and you weren't getting him off of it: you needed to know this information to make the plays you made. You need to get both the hand right and the man right to win.

[Erudis]

also, your raise to 50 dollars on the flop with 4 others behind you was not a very good idea because you're only going to push people out who you'd want a call from. Ideally you're looking to make your straight flush and exploiting someone with the As or Ks, or dodge a fourth spade. I think calling on the flop is a better move here.

[dms26]

You say the guy didn't strike you as a player then you try to bluff him? Fish are fish because they call with any type of hand however weak it is, trying to push him off a hand is not a good play IMO especially if you don't have much of a read on him. Pick a better spot where you are much more certain you have the best hand.

[rollito]

i disagree with Erudis......i think the raise on the flop was absolutley necessary because there was 3 to a flush out there.....one you have to see if you are good.....and two you want someone with a marginal flush draw to fold....once you get called there you prob should have slowed down being worried about the caller flopping the flush or having a big flush draw that they are prob willing to call all the way down with...dms26 makes a good point that in this case with a flop with as many possibilities as that one and a player who you have read as a weak/fish you should proceed very cautiously because he could have flopped the flush or even the higher straight in both cases you are drawing dead....especially if he is that bad to call you down with a 7 high flush you can easily pick a better spot against him when you have him drawing dead

[Erudis]

playing the hand at the flop (and after) the way rollito recommends is good play too I think. definitely not my preference here though - just too many hand possibilities out there and I'd rather just dump the hand and find a better spot, or cheaply try and hit the stinger (straight-flush) and break someone with it.