Kings, Kings, Kings

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I'll violate the one hand per post rule for once. Villain in both hands is the same guy. I consider him quite good, he is multitabling and he definatly has a feel for the game.Hand 1:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K. 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.Flop: (7 SB) 8, 9, 3(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.Turn: (5 BB) 6(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.River: (9 BB) 7(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11 BBHand 2:Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Bet The Pot)Preflop: Hero is MP with [Ks], [Kh]. 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: (7.50 SB) [5d], [8d], [Jd] (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.Turn: (5.75 BB) [8s] (2 players)Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.River: (9.75 BB) [7c] (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 11.75 BBThoughts? I didn't cap preflop for the use of deception. This guy is very observing, so I figured I might get soem extra value out of my hand this way.

[AlphaOmega 0]

Hand 1 looks ok, but that river really sucks. Hard to imagine a hand you beat, even a turn semi-bluff got there. You might be able to fold the river, I'm not sure.Hand 2, not capping KK every once and a while against an observant, thinking player is definitely ok. That said, I wish we could have used ESP to predict the flop. I was going to say that if you forgo capping preflop, then I think you should wait for the turn to go to war, but the monotone flop forces you into action.The hand looks fine, but you might be able to three-bet the turn. Actually, since he's probably sophisticated enough to put you on a hand range, it certainly looks like you are on a draw. Therefore, there are a lot of hands he could raise this turn with, and I'd imagine a lot of times he's either going to fold to a three-bet or cap you in which case you are screwed, so I like the turn. I would consider donk/calling the river to get value from mid pairs that abandon their free showdown raises.Do you mind disclosing the villain in a PM? I'm pretty sure I've played with him before.

[screech 0]

I'm having a real hard time putting a good player on a hand that beats you in hand one. I think I would 3-bet the turn. If I called, it would be with the intention of check/raising most rivers (not that one though).I usually cap hand 2 pf because I cap with so many other hands HU I don't need to disguise my hand to get extra action.Villains range is pretty small here. I think he has AA/88/JJ that beat you (10 combos) vs AJ/QQ that you beat (18 combos), that would play exactly this way up to the turn. He may also have KJs or a hand like 99 that plans to take a free sd. I would call the turn as you did (I don't think 3-betting does you any good), planning to check/raise any non-ace river.

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I'm having a real hard time putting a good player on a hand that beats you in hand one. I think I would 3-bet the turn. If I called, it would be with the intention of check/raising most rivers (not that one though).I usually cap hand 2 pf because I cap with so many other hands HU I don't need to disguise my hand to get extra action.Villains range is pretty small here. I think he has AA/88/JJ that beat you (10 combos) vs AJ/QQ that you beat (18 combos), that would play exactly this way up to the turn. He may also have KJs or a hand like 99 that plans to take a free sd. I would call the turn as you did (I don't think 3-betting does you any good), planning to check/raise any non-ace river.

Hand 1As a range for villain that beats me, I dunno. Could he have 88/99 there? It doesnt seem likely to me. What type of hands do you guys think a good player is making this move with?Hand 2I would add AKs/AQs in diamonds to his range.Check/ raising the river doesn't seem like a good plan to me. Hands that have me crushed will go 3 and I can't fold. Hands that I beat might fold to the river c/r. If I'm c/ring the river that means alot of strength, and he can easily play the river perfect against me. 99 is defo not paying me off there.

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Hand 1As a range for villain that beats me, I dunno. Could he have 88/99 there? It doesnt seem likely to me. What type of hands do you guys think a good player is making this move with?Hand 2I would add AKs/AQs in diamonds to his range.Check/ raising the river doesn't seem like a good plan to me. Hands that have me crushed will go 3 and I can't fold. Hands that I beat might fold to the river c/r. If I'm c/ring the river that means alot of strength, and he can easily play the river perfect against me. 99 is defo not paying me off there.

Hand 1: There just aren't many (if any) hands a good player is cold calling wtih here on the button. Maybe stuff like KQs-JTs. He probably has clubs, so your turn call is probably correct. Yeah, I like hand 1.HAnd 2: Of course he's not calling a check/raise with 99. But he will with the 18 combos of hands I mentioned that you have beat (QQ/AJ). He may also have something like KJs-JTs here, which he will occassionally pay off with too. The only hands that really beat you are AA/88/JJ (Just 10 combos). Easy check/raise for value. If you get 3-balled, so what? He won't usually 3-bet AA here (which makes up most of the range of hands you beat), so it's not entirely a risk 2 to win 1 situation. Also, if you call, it's because there is some chance that you are ahead, birnging that 2:1 number down even further.

[Verdimme 0]

Hand 1: There just aren't many (if any) hands a good player is cold calling wtih here on the button. Maybe stuff like KQs-JTs. He probably has clubs, so your turn call is probably correct. Yeah, I like hand 1.HAnd 2: Of course he's not calling a check/raise with 99. But he will with the 18 combos of hands I mentioned that you have beat (QQ/AJ). He may also have something like KJs-JTs here, which he will occassionally pay off with too. The only hands that really beat you are AA/88/JJ (Just 10 combos). Easy check/raise for value. If you get 3-balled, so what? He won't usually 3-bet AA here (which makes up most of the range of hands you beat), so it's not entirely a risk 2 to win 1 situation. Also, if you call, it's because there is some chance that you are ahead, birnging that 2:1 number down even further.

Hand 1:Yeah, I'm pretty certain he doesn't have 88 or 99. If we are quite certain he is bluffing, could there be a case for 3-betting the turn? He won't fold..and he is paying an extra bet for his draw.Hand 2:I agree with that analysis.

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Hand 1:Yeah, I'm pretty certain he doesn't have 88 or 99. If we are quite certain he is bluffing, could there be a case for 3-betting the turn? He won't fold..and he is paying an extra bet for his draw.Hand 2:I agree with that analysis.

The thing with hand 1 is, if he is playing a draw this way, he will likely bluff the river anyway if he misses, so you win the same but lose less. And if he has a pair+draw, he will value bet the river because it looks like you have ace high.

[Verdimme 0]

The thing with hand 1 is, if he is playing a draw this way, he will likely bluff the river anyway if he misses, so you win the same but lose less. And if he has a pair+draw, he will value bet the river because it looks like you have ace high.

Nice. I missed that. Thnx.

[greatwhite 0]

Hand 1- I'd 3-bet the turn.Hand 2- I don't mind not capping preflop, but I will usually do it. I'm either leading or check-raising the river.

[CoranMoran 0]

Hand 1: I 3bet that turnIt looks pretty safe.

You might be able to fold the river, I'm not sure.

Please don't ever fold this river.Hand 2:Sure seems like you can get at least 1 more bet in there somewhere.Not capping preflop so that you can check raise the flop doesn't gain you any value.But I guess that flop forced an immediate response.--cm