15/30 At Bellagio

[Ih8mycards 0]

UTG plays a few to many hands preflop and plays ok after the flopSB is a regular that is Tight semi agressiveHero is in BB with 8 9 UTG Limps, MP2 Limps, SB completes, Hero Raps in BBFlop: J T 8 SB checks, Hero Bets, UTG Raises, MP2 Folds, SB Calls, Hero CallsTurn: T SB Checks, Hero Checks, UTG gets excited and Bets, We both callRiver 7 SB Bets, Hero Folds, UTG CallsWRTO4556 is my roomate and we talked about this hand for about an hour and came up with next time fold the turn. After putting UTG on a range of hands thats what we came up with. We're looking for a little more imput. Thanks Guys

[pokerplayer24 0]

You explained it pretty well. Your turn play doesnt match your river play. If you dont think your straight outs are clean then their is no reason to call the turn.As far as the hand goes i'm not betting the flop. Your hand is rarely good currently and your equity isnt that great considering that board.Turn you're getting 7:1 while you're 4:1 to hit. I think this is a matter of considering outs. I think i'm dumping it on the turn as we can be drawing dead to UTG and it seems like the SB either has a flush draw (eliminating 2 of our outs) or is on the same straight draw. So yea thats the spot to dump it. Once you get to the river i'm calling sb's lead.

[jayboogie 0]

I'd have checked that flop, your bet is rarely taking down the pot against limpers. You have bottom pair and a 1 card straight draw. You won't get action if you hit unless you're beat or split it.Turn is the place to dump it, but river is definitely a call. Decent chance that sb has the same straight here.

[dreamcrusher28 0]

Tell wrto to start posting hands again from live games.

[wrto4556 0]

There ended up being a back door flush end up on the river. Now if I call and UTG raises the river, then what? I agree on the turn fold... PS. WRTO has not been playing live very much but he is getting back into it.

[checkymcfold 0]

you don't think that SB is splitting this with you 1/5 of the time? call and hope for overcalls. i don't think we're up against a runner runner flush very often here.as pokerplayer said, if you don't think your outs are clean, there's no reason to call the turn. i'd need a hell of a read to fold this turn, and i'd never fold the river if i called the turn.i like the flop bet personally. you're probably either good or drawing to be good, i'd think, and i always lean toward betting/raising in close calls like this one.

[jayboogie 0]

You can probably fold to a raise and definitely fold to 2 cold if sb 3-bets.I'm not a fan of the flop bet, because it'll just about never take it down. I don't think you're ever ahead on this flop if called. If you're ahead here, you're probably way ahead in the first place and don't have to be all that concerned about giving free cards.

[KowboyKoop 0]

First, I probably fold turn.....I think there's a LOTTTT of hands that have us beat...too many for us to think that we are going to win often enough when we make our straight.....flush draws..boat possibilities (though unlikely), higher straights (Q9)..........just don't think calling the turn is worth it, as even if a red 7 falls you likely can't bet it too hard..maybe get three bets out of it at the most......However, if you call turn, I think you have to call river when you make your straight.

[jcdoerre 0]

Three queens, three sevens, and two eights. So that's eight clean outs.One queen, one seven, and three nines are possible outs, but could be dead. So call em two outs together.That gives you ten outs. That's 40% equity in a 4 man pot, I'd reraise the flop. The only thing that has you drawing dead is 7-9 or Q-9. It's highly unlikely he limped with either one, so you probably are drawing live.

[jayboogie 0]

Three queens, three sevens, and two eights. So that's eight clean outs.One queen, one seven, and three nines are possible outs, but could be dead. So call em two outs together.That gives you ten outs. That's 40% equity in a 4 man pot, I'd reraise the flop. The only thing that has you drawing dead is 7-9 or Q-9. It's highly unlikely he limped with either one, so you probably are drawing live.

You're not counting the hands that have you crushed like J9, T9, 97. Flush draws with straight draw outs and etc etc. Your hand basically sucks when it's behind and won't get action when it's ahead.

[bdc30 0]

You're not counting the hands that have you crushed like J9, T9, 97. Flush draws with straight draw outs and etc etc. Your hand basically sucks when it's behind and won't get action when it's ahead.

What about a hand like J 10 which has us draing dead at the turn?

[GamblinLeaf 0]

The real question is, Where the hell have you been, Chris?? How're things going?

[screech 0]

I wouldn't bet that flop. It's highly coordinated, and someone is bound to have hit it harder than you.The turn is the most interesting part. I think you should fold. The player looks excited, there are two flush draws on the turn, your trip outs are no longer worth anything, and you may even split the pot if you hit your straight and it ends up being good.You have to call the river once you get there. Fold if there is a raise behind you obviously.

[wrto4556 0]

I wouldn't bet that flop. It's highly coordinated, and someone is bound to have hit it harder than you.The turn is the most interesting part. I think you should fold. The player looks excited, there are two flush draws on the turn, your trip outs are no longer worth anything, and you may even split the pot if you hit your straight and it ends up being good.You have to call the river once you get there. Fold if there is a raise behind you obviously.

I thought the flop bet was the easiest part of the hand. Turn call is close but i think its a fold, river is an easy call.How could checking and calling the flop be better than betting?

[amarillotg 0]

I thought the flop bet was the easiest part of the hand. Turn call is close but i think its a fold, river is an easy call.How could checking and calling the flop be better than betting?

i agree. im betting these drawing hands on the flop all the time. im certainly not folding so why check?