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[DwayneWayne]

1-2NL Live.I have $250 in front of me.I've played 4 hands.Guy to my right has a big stack and has been playing every hand for a raise since I sit down. He makes it $12 to go. I look down and see 66. I call. BB calls.Flop 5-2-7 rainbow. BB checks, Raiser Checks, I check.Turn 6BB checks, Raiser bets $15, I raise $15, BB folds, Raiser moves in. $250.Your play?

[rollito]

why not bet the flop when its checked to you in postition......if one of those two had something like 8s or 9s they prob would have bet the flop.....you can force them to lay down an inside straight draw on the flop and avoid a situation where a 6 makes you a set but completes some straight draws....assuming they are at least decent players they have to fold to a pot sized bet on the flop with only a straight draw.....its hard to put either one on a really big pocket pair because of the pre flop action and although one of them could be checking a set of sevens its highly unlikley....basically i would have been thinking the 6's were good on a flop like that and can't give a free card to anyone to catch up....especially when a 6 on the turn makes your hand but also could have you ina tough spot like the one you got into.....hard to lay them down once you've hit it

[TINXDAD]

Sounds like the same guy I once played at a room in Vegas. After buying in for a rack at this 1/2 NLHE, he says "welcome to the 1/12 game". I quickly learned what the inside joke was. He kept raising every single pot to 12bucks pre flop. He would pick up the blinds more often than not but that came to an end quickly as soon as the rest of us decided to take a stand. Whats scary about the whole thing is that he would manage at least a draw 85% of the time and would push in like your guy. Anyhow, in your case I would call him. Even if he made his str8 you could do the sucking out on the river. I would give him the benefit of at least having 2 pair like 2-6 or 5-6. 8-9 or 3-4 not impossible of course but highly unlikely. I feel that wildmen like these guys depend upon steals to continue their reckless ways and the times they manage to pull out the miracle flop are far apart enough that you could easily rebuild your stack against them.

[DwayneWayne]

"why not bet the flop when its checked to you in postition......if one of those two had something like 8s or 9s they prob would have bet the flop.....you can force them to lay down an inside straight draw on the flop and avoid a situation where a 6 makes you a set but completes some straight draws....assuming they are at least decent players they have to fold to a pot sized bet on the flop with only a straight draw.....its hard to put either one on a really big pocket pair because of the pre flop action and although one of them could be checking a set of sevens its highly unlikley....basically i would have been thinking the 6's were good on a flop like that and can't give a free card to anyone to catch up....especially when a 6 on the turn makes your hand but also could have you ina tough spot like the one you got into.....hard to lay them down once you've hit it"I agree, this was the major problem with the hand, I should have def bet that flop, I had this weird feeling that I was really behind and was just waiting to get out of the hand at this point. Weak thinking I know.....

[DwayneWayne]

As I push my stack in to make the call, he looks surprised and asks if I have 8-9? I look at the board again and can’t grasp what he has now?He tables 8c4c for the gut shot that happened to fill my set. WTF?Ace on the river and I am on the felt.Anyway to get away from this hand? A flop bet I still think gets called by this guy b/c I think he was looking to make a play at the pot at some point....

[rollito]

even if you feel he would have called a flop bet you should have made at least a pot sized bet because most people will lay down a guy shot....bottom line you should have made a decent sized bet on the flop....then if you takes a while and calls maybe you can put him on making the straight on the turn if he check raises you all in.....even then tough lay down but then at least you can put this post in the bad beat section as you would have played the hand just about as good as you could have and got sucked out on by an idiot calling to a gut shot

[Vade]

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but you have to bet the flop.Actually, with 6-6, and that board, unless someone bets big into you, you have to make a play.If someone makes a smallish bet, I would raise and see what happens.

[Erudis]

I think in your shoes I'd have played it different preflop and on the flop.You didn't, however, and here are your choices:1. fold with only 30 bucks in teh pot, and 250 to call, it may not be worth it to you (mathematically) and you can let him have it hoping you have given off a weak image that you can use to bust him later.2. Call. You probably have the best hand (an all in by him doesn't typically mean he has the nuts, but you have to know your player) and if you don't have the best hand you have outs and you get to establish that you're willing to put chips in there against him and that he can't run over you. Also, no matter what, calling gives you a very good read on what he is willing to do with what kind of hand.what would I do? I'd call. If i lose i rebuy and bust him. It's worth it to me for players at the table to think either I'm stupid (with a bad call) or that I have big bronze balls. I consider calls like this where I lose "chip rental" - he's just holding them for me for a little while. I don't mind this guy having even more chips because he's one of the easiest ones to take it from if you're a quality player yourself. I think Brunson calls, rebuys if he loses, and busts him. In SuperSystem Brunson talks about dropping all of what he bought in for 2 or 3 times w/o a care in the world, but by the end of the session, he'll have it all - I play NL cash games pretty much the SuperSystem way with variations.