Razz - Call Or Fold On Various Streets?

[Rocketwadster 0]

Table full of donkeys, myself included (my losses at this darned game keep mounting - if I never played Razz on FTP, I would have almost doubled my latest deposit, meaning that I am running very good right now on all cylinders except Razz...)FullTiltPoker Game #639416311: Table Banburry Cross - $0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.05 - Limit Razz - 15:26:49 ET - 2006/05/15Seat 1: TR ($4.25)Seat 2: Eb ($5.05)Seat 3: Rocketwadster ($10.75)Seat 4: ro ($3)Seat 5: St ($16.60)Seat 6: Ja ($13.45)Seat 7: ba ($4.25)Seat 8: Mu ($2.95)Everyone antees*** 3RD STREET ***Dealt to TR [7h]Dealt to Eb [Kc]Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ac 4c] [5c]Dealt to ro [As]Dealt to St [Js]Dealt to Ja [8s]Dealt to ba [4h]Dealt to Mu [2h]Eb is high with [Kc]Eb brings in for $0.10Rocketwadster completes it to $0.25ro calls $0.25St foldsJa foldsba foldsMu calls $0.25TR foldsEb folds*** 4TH STREET ***Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ac 4c 5c] [Th]Dealt to ro [As] [5s]Dealt to Mu [2h] [Jd]ro bets $0.25Mu foldsRocketwadster calls $0.25Is that call okay? I've been about split on making this call and folding (meaning about half the time im calling if the pot was semi-large and if small ive folded).*** 5TH STREET ***Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ac 4c 5c Th] [2s]Dealt to rosiey [As 5s] [5d]Rocketwadster checksro bets $0.50Rocketwadster calls $0.50Considered a check-raise here with my strong draw (highly doubt my ten low will be best at showdown unless my opponent keeps pairing board cards), but didn't.*** 6TH STREET ***Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ac 4c 5c Th 2s] [Kh]Dealt to rosiey [As 5s 5d] [3h]Rocketwadster checksro bets $0.50Rocketwadster calls $0.50Once again my opponent has caught what appears to be a great card, to my mediocre holdings (ten low). Spewing if I call here?*** 7TH STREET ***Dealt to Rocketwadster [Ac 4c 5c Th 2s Kh] [9h]Rocketwadster checksro bets $0.50Rocketwadster ???Call it down with a nine-low, or save that last bet?

[dingas 0]

I don't understand why you would just call on 5th. You have the best hand and almost certainly the best draw. Even if your opponent has exactly 2 and 3 in the hole, you are a slight favourite and since he didn't raise third, he probably has a worse hand, making you a fairly nice favourite. Your opponent made a mistake by betting, and you need to punish him!I think the call on 6th is totally obvious. As for 7th, I generally call in such situations (you said it's a table full of weak players), but maybe this is not correct.

[HangukMiguk 8]

I think the call on 6th is totally obvious. As for 7th, I generally call in such situations (you said it's a table full of weak players), but maybe this is not correct.

I think the call on 7th is fine too. Borderline, but still fine. Weak tables means you may actually have the chance at beating someone.I actually bet 5th, but a check/raise isn't too bad here either. A check/call is pretty bad.You have to make him pay for 6th. Don't let him make you make the decision to continue on when HE is the one that paired.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

Preface: I'm not out to get you, I'm out to improve your, my, and every FCPer possible's razz game by attempting to foster debate and/or discussion. If you disagree with anything I write, please call me on it.The check call is very bad; bet is best, check raise is second best but against a weak player isn't sending the same message to someone who knows what they're doing.To your opponent, it looks like you paired by the check call and you put yourself into a situation on 7th where you don't know where you stand. He could be betting:a. with what he considers the best hand because you've played like you have at least 1 pair and were at a king low drawing to a 10 low. In this case he may be as bad as a jack low because you've played the hand so weakly.b. knowing he's beat, but hoping you'll lay down a very rough low based on his board.Moral of the story: don't try and get that tricky playing razz, especially at the low limits. When you are clearly ahead, bet or raise. Sklansky gets into a few situations where tricky play *can* work against good players or 4th and 5th in sklansky on razz, but you need to work on nailing down a few more base aspects of the game before hitting that.http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/188068506...5Fencoding=UTF8I hope the link works, but that is absolutely worth the money if you want to stop pulling your hair out about razz.Also, I try and play micro or low razz, or razz SnGs on FTP most days as anakedcowboy. Give me a shout if you're at my table.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Also, I try and play micro or low razz, or razz SnGs on FTP most days as anakedcowboy. Give me a shout if you're at my table.

According to Pokertracker, I haven't played against you as of yet, but I will keep my eyes open...The check call is very bad; bet is best, check raise is second best but against a weak player isn't sending the same message to someone who knows what they're doing.What street are you referring to here (5th, 6th, or 7th)?

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

The check call is very bad; bet is best, check raise is second best but against a weak player isn't sending the same message to someone who knows what they're doing.What street are you referring to here (5th, 6th, or 7th)?

5th