nickforgot 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Well what do you think of this handcalling the river fine, should I have raised?Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)UTG ($31.15)Button ($10.73)Hero ($36.47)BB ($29.99)Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 , 8 . Hero posts a blind of $0.10. UTG calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.Flop: ($1) 5 , 3 , 9 (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Button calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50.Turn: ($3) 6 (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BB calls $1, UTG folds.River: ($6.50) 8 (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $4, Hero calls $4, BB folds.The only hands I could see him doing this with is a 7xspades for a chop, 710, or a missed spade drawshould i have raised the river/turn?Final Pot: $14.50 Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Raise the turn sir. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Raise turn. Why didn't you? You checked, you got some bets - now is the time to take it down. There are a lot of cards that could come on the river that either hurt your hand or kill your action anyways.Raise river. I think you've got the nuts here and all you're risking is a chop. What hand beats you here? 7-10? It takes a special kind of donk to call the flop bet with a 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw. If that's the case, you'll get it back later. If he's not chopping with you and not donk-betting two-pair, he could also be in there with 7-4. Villain's potstuck here enough to call you with worse holdings (other than busted draw bluffs) if you raise him-all in (he only has ~$5 left). Link to post Share on other sites
Garn 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 not played well at all. do you not like money? Link to post Share on other sites
nickforgot 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 well i have to sayi accidently checked the riverbetter than foldingi probably shouldve raisedand i hate moneyas for the turn...it got bet, raised, so i figure a trap might work hereand the river, i have no idea, cept for the mis-check Link to post Share on other sites
oldirtyharry 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 yikes that hurt to read. First of all, you should be folding the flop. Second, you actually got lucky and hit your gutshot, you absolutely need to bet the turn. Perhaps the biggest mistake is seeing a raise, and then a reraise after your check turn and you proceed to flat CALL. This is what you are waiting for, so raise the **** out of it and get payed off. meeeehhhhhh. And yes, just call the river. I doubt anything is calling a reraise here besides a chop and a better hand. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 And yes, just call the river. I doubt anything is calling a reraise here besides a chop and a better hand.Name me a better hand he could be facing here except a ridiculously unlikely 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw from the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
oldirtyharry 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Name me a better hand he could be facing here except a ridiculously unlikely 7-10 runner-runner str8 draw from the flop.a ridiculously unlikely 7-10.What else could I mean? I see donks hit runner runner straights nearly everyday. What does he gain by raising? I guess at these levels a set or worse MIGHT call, but it seems you are must certainly facing a chop if he does in fact call. Maybe a min raise would work here. meh. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 a ridiculously unlikely 7-10.What else could I mean? I see donks hit runner runner straights nearly everyday. What does he gain by raising? I guess at these levels a set or worse MIGHT call, but it seems you are must certainly facing a chop if he does in fact call. Maybe a min raise would work here. meh.Look at stack sizes.A min-raise is the practically the same thing as a max raise. Villain only has ~$5 left. Push him in and he gets 4-1 and is basically potstuck enough to call. At this level, he's going to often get a crying call from a lower str8, set or two-pair. Link to post Share on other sites
oldirtyharry 0 Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Look at stack sizes.A min-raise is the practically the same thing as a max raise. Villain only has ~$5 left. Push him in and he gets 4-1 and is basically potstuck enough to call. At this level, he's going to often get a crying call from a lower str8, set or two-pair.Good point, failed to notice that. Link to post Share on other sites
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