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[timwakefield]

What active players do you think should make the Hall? Only consider players who have been playing a long time. Guys like Pujols are too young to consider. Here's my list:

Pitchers:
Tom Glavine
Pedro Martinez
Roger Clemens (probably still active)
Greg Maddux
Mariano Rivera
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman


Hitters
Ken Griffey Jr
Barry Bonds
Todd Helton
Manny Ramirez
Alex Rodriguez
Mike Piazza


maybe
Frank Thomas

[BuffDan]

I like your list Tim, I personally don't know much about Helton or Hoffman, but my ignorance aside, the list looks good. I just want to be a bit of a homer and add Derek Jeter and maybe, as stretches, Gary Sheffield or Mike Mussina, to the list...

As for non-Yankees, maybe Chipper Jones or Jeff Bagwell, though I don't feel terribly strongly about either. Also, let me throw Ichiro out there; though he hasn't been in the majors very long, he is as old as A-Rod and others and did have a pretty darn good career before coming over, and though I assume that doesn't enter into consideration for the hall directly, it does show that he is less likely to be a fluke then some younger players who aren't as established.

[MapleLeafs]

Yes, it's a safe list considering we can't speculate on young players. "Hey guys, check out all the players with 500+ homers, and guys under 35 with 400+ homers. I think they'll make the Hall!"

Hoffman isn't guarenteed. Lee Smith isn't in yet. Unless Hoffman gets to 500+ saves, then he shouldn't get in before Smith. Rivera is a different story as his post season accolades are legendary. He's the best closer ever.

Everyone else on the list should be in, save for Glavine. Yeah, he has very good stats, but it's friggin' TOUGH to make the Hall. Bert Blyleven isn't in and he had 3700+ K's. Don Mattingly, Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Goose Gossage, Jack Morris, Orel Hershiser are just a few names that aren't in, and possibly won't be.

[doublemeup]

All but Trevor, Helton, Thomas, and Piazza IMO.

[TB17]

Tom Glavine has had 5 20 win seasons tho, Bert had one or two.

What about Pudge?

[wsox8]

I would add Pudge, Chipper, Frank Thomas


but I don't see Ichiro or Helton right now..

In the next few years more guys should be considered.

[KowboyKoop]

All but Trevor, Helton, Thomas, and Piazza IMO.

No Piazza!??!?!??! The greatest hitting catcher of all time!?!??? Ehhhh..yeah, he's losing it now....but I think he's a lock.

[digitalmonkey]

Pete Rose

[wsox8]

No Piazza!??!?!??! The greatest hitting catcher of all time!?!??? Ehhhh..yeah, he's losing it now....but I think he's a lock.

I think Piazza is an easy hall of famer.

I also wish Joe Jackson was in the hall of fame.

[timwakefield]

Glavine is 275-184, and the way he is pitching this year he will have 290 by October. 300 Wins and you're pretty much a lock.



Helton only has 8 full seasons, but he is the active leader in career BA, 2nd in OBP, 3rd in SLG.

[digitalmonkey]

Helton only has 8 full seasons, but he is the active leader in career BA, 2nd in OBP, 3rd in SLG.

The voters will take his location into consideration.

[KowboyKoop]

The voters will take his location into consideration.

They will, but Helton will make it.

[76clubs]

Rivera is a different story as his post season accolades are legendary. He's the best closer ever.

Keep in mind tho, that he has blown some very key saves in the post season. I definately think he is a hall of famer, don't get me wrong, but he blew game 7 of the 2001 WS, and he blew two saves in the 2004 ALCS. Those are pretty big Blown Saves.

I think Piazza is an easy hall of famer.

I also wish Joe Jackson was in the hall of fame.

I never would have guessed

[doublemeup]

Glavine is 275-184, and the way he is pitching this year he will have 290 by October. 300 Wins and you're pretty much a lock.
Helton only has 8 full seasons, but he is the active leader in career BA, 2nd in OBP, 3rd in SLG.

Coor's Field is rigged.

[aadams_22]

"At this moment" the only players on that list that aren't locks are Hoffman, Helton, A-Rod, and Man-Ram

Glavine is 275-184, and the way he is pitching this year he will have 290 by October. 300 Wins and you're pretty much a lock.
Helton only has 8 full seasons, but he is the active leader in career BA, 2nd in OBP, 3rd in SLG.

What is the fascination with 300 anyway? Glavine will probably be the last pitcher to do it and he is an automatic lock without the 300. The baseball writers are idiots for allowing 300 to be a benchmark considering a 300 win pitcher will probably never happen again. Tommy John has 288 career wins so one more season with a record in the neighborhood of 12-18 gets him into the HOF...now that's an absolute joke. Players like John and Bert Blyleven deserve to be in the Hall of Fame but because they don't have the magical 300 they are left out.

[Solodell]

Helton may get in, but he's not a lock. Especially since if he's only got 8 years in he's not even eligible yet. I agree about Hoffman. Time will tell how the voters view relievers, it may take him some time.

Interesting question, is Schilling a HoFer? Guy's got 3 WS appearances, 2 rings, and some great postseason performances. He played on some bad Phillies teams. I'm not sure about him. Wondering what the board thinks.

oh, and I know we can't speculate, but Pujols will be a HoFer unless something seriously bad happens!

[MDXS]

Helton may get in, but he's not a lock. Especially since if he's only got 8 years in he's not even eligible yet. I agree about Hoffman. Time will tell how the voters view relievers, it may take him some time.

Interesting question, is Schilling a HoFer? Guy's got 3 WS appearances, 2 rings, and some great postseason performances. He played on some bad Phillies teams. I'm not sure about him. Wondering what the board thinks.

oh, and I know we can't speculate, but Pujols will be a HoFer unless something seriously bad happens!

Schilling's clozse, but not there yet. And yeah, playing on those bad Phillies teams definitely screwed him.

[The Nuts]

Bolded the guys who I think will make it.

Pitchers:
Tom Glavine
Pedro Martinez
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Mariano Rivera
Randy Johnson
Trevor Hoffman

Hitters
Ken Griffey Jr
Barry Bonds
Todd Helton
Manny Ramirez
Alex Rodriguez
Mike Piazza

[MDXS]

Bolded the guys who I think will make it.

You don't think Manny or Mariano get voted in? How do you not vote Manny in? How do you not recognize the media's gigantic hard-on for Mariano Rivera? Both get in on the first ballot with ease.

[The Nuts]

You don't think Manny or Mariano get voted in? How do you not vote Manny in? How do you not recognize the media's gigantic hard-on for Mariano Rivera? Both get in on the first ballot with ease.

If Ramirez can produce at this level for at least the next few year, then he's in.

Note that most of the guys I've bolded already have pretty accomplished careers as of now and are nearing retirement age (aside from A-Rod and Pedro) so there's a lot to justify their entrance in.

Rivera...eh. I've always been iffy about putting closers in the hall over offensive players and starting pitchers. He may make it in, but not as a first ballot.