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[GamblinLeaf]

In the middle of a juicy 200BB downswing, and am breakeven over the last 9500 hands or so. Small sample ... yeah yeah ... just want to make sure I'm not committing any agregious errors.

No reads on villain. Comments on all streets appreciated.


PokerRoom 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Leaf is BB with 5, K.
1 fold, MP calls, 2 folds, SB raises, Leaf calls, MP calls.

--> A little light?


Flop: (6 SB) 5, T, K (3 players)
SB bets, Leaf calls, MP folds.

--> Here's the real question: I have, for as long as I can remember, had the tendency to just call the flop and look to raise the turn when being led into after flopping something that feels like the best hand. Is it more important to try and protect a somewhat vulnerable two pair with two to the flush on board?


Turn: (4 BB) 2 (2 players)
SB bets, Leaf raises, SB 3-bets, Leaf calls.

--> Anyone capping here?


River: (10 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Leaf calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

[screech]

Flop is very draw heavy. Raise it up.

As played, I cap the turn.

[CobaltBlue]

... just want to make sure I'm not committing any agregious errors.

Other than misspelling 'egregious' , here's what I got...

If this was a full game, I think we can actually give consideration to folding. There's only one limper, so this isn't exactly a big pot. Yes, we've got position, but unless SB is frequently getting frisky with light holdings, he's usually got to have something decent to raise in this spot...since he knows he'll be out of position the whole hand. As we're playing 6-handed, I don't think it's a huge deal to be calling in this spot.

That said, once we hit this flop, we've got to raise. Don't get in the mindset of having to play tricky in going for turn raises. When you think you've got the best hand on the flop with two opponents and a board like this, get aggressive. Our lack of aggression on the flop means that we're stumbling around when we get 3-bet on the turn. He could have AA/KK/AK/TT/KT/QdJd. The truth is, we don't know. By getting aggressive on the earlier street, the later streets get much clearer.

[GamblinLeaf]

Flop is very draw heavy. Raise it up.

As played, I cap the turn.

Thanks for the input Screech.

What if the flop was, say, K85 rainbow?

Maybe a better question is: Is slowplaying of any kind a disease in short-handed HE?

Other than misspelling 'egregious' , here's what I got...

Hey ... good call on that. And I uzhullee spel goot two!

That said, once we hit this flop, we've got to raise. Don't get in the mindset of having to play tricky in going for turn raises. When you think you've got the best hand on the flop with two opponents and a board like this, get aggressive. Our lack of aggression on the flop means that we're stumbling around when we get 3-bet on the turn. He could have AA/KK/AK/TT/KT/QdJd. The truth is, we don't know. By getting aggressive on the earlier street, the later streets get much clearer.

This speaks to my follow up question to Screech. I'm beginning to wonder if most types of slow playing in short-handed games is a cancer I need to eradicate.

[CobaltBlue]

This speaks to my follow up question to Screech. I'm beginning to wonder if most types of slow playing in short-handed games is a cancer I need to eradicate.

Against low-level players, yes. A fairly straight-forward, aggressive game is usually the best approach. This isn't NL...where we're trapping and banking on huge implied odds. Once you move up in limits, there will be times when you have to get trickier against specific opponents, but this isn't the time to do it (against default 2/4 players).

[screech]

What if the flop was, say, K85 rainbow?

Maybe a better question is: Is slowplaying of any kind a disease in short-handed HE?

Not at all. If the flop were K85r, slowplaying would be good. Of course, it depends on your opponents too, but usually you want to flat call in that spot.

[PoppinFresh]

I agree with raising the flop

I think that capping the turn might be too much though. I just got pokerstove and am having some fun with it Anyway here's the results I get for the range I put him on, I hope I did this right:

1,100 games 0.005 secs 220,000 games/sec

Board: 5h Td Kd 2s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 49.0909 % 49.09% 00.00% { Kc5c }
Hand 2: 50.9091 % 50.91% 00.00% { KK+, TT, 55, AKs, KTs, AKo, KTo }

Since we're getting c/r on the river when he has a set we need better than 50% equity here. I also think we need to discount AK/AA a bit since the average villain is more passive than aggressive, KTo should probably be discounted some as well since he raised pf. In he end I think these two might roughly even out also considering that he could have 22 a small % of the time, I could be wrong though.

Also some chance of a KQ type hand or a semi-bluff, so maybe this is completely useless, I think just calling down after the 3-bet is probably right though.