David_Nicoson 1 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Bodog PLO 1/2, 7 playersStacksUTG: $614.27UTG+2: $358.46Hero: $329.00PreflopUTG raises $5 to $7.UTG+1 calls $7.UTG+2 raises $24 to $31.Folds.Hero (button) calls $31 with Q J T 9 2 folds.UTG raises $103.00 to $134.00.UTG+1 Folds.UTG+2 raises all-in for $327.46Hero calls, all in $298.00Now, clearly at least one of these guys has aces. But I think it's pretty likely I'm going to end up getting 2:1 on my whole stack. Do you agree with my call? I've seen UTG follow-up his preflop raise with a pot-sized bet on the flop. I suspect he's pushing aces hard. I don't have much to say about UTG+2. There' s been nothing out of line as of yet from him. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yes. You are definately getting good enough pot odds here. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I's close actually. You're in good shape against AA and AA, you're in terrible shape against AA and AKQJ or QQ or whatever.I'd be inclined to fold it, actually. It's close enough not to really matter, but why throw your whole stack out there on a coinflip or occasionally worse preflop? Iincidentally I don't mean coinflip as in your 50/50 to win the hand I mean it as you're likely 33% to win it.good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 You have to call getting laid these odds. One definately has aces and sometime's both of them will. The other might have a hand like 9876 and you'll be in excellent shape. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 You have to call getting laid these odds. One definately has aces and sometime's both of them will. The other might have a hand like 9876 and you'll be in excellent shape.Really? What kind of odds are we getting here? We're only in for $30 and it's $290 to call. I'm not saying we shouldn't call, as we're favored against two AA hands, and against AAxx and KKxx, we probably have about 33% equity, but I really don't think "great pot odds" is a primary reason to be in the pot.For me, it would come down to what kind of players you're up against. If they're reasonably tight, then youre chances of getting great odds against two AA hands, make this a situation where you have to call. However, if one's a donkey, then you'll probably be walking into something like AKQT as well in which case you need to get out of this pot as fast as possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 You have to call getting laid these oddsNonsensical.You have to call when it's +EV. This is on ballance neutral EV. It's not a tournament. It's flipping a coin for you whole stack. That's silly. I don't think it really matters much either way if you call or fold, but it's absolutely not a mistake to fold this.good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted May 10, 2006 Author Share Posted May 10, 2006 Bodog PLO 1/2, 7 playersStacksUTG: $614.27UTG+2: $358.46Hero: $329.00PreflopUTG raises $5 to $7.UTG+1 calls $7.UTG+2 raises $24 to $31.Folds.Hero (button) calls $31 with Q J T 9 2 folds.UTG raises $103.00 to $134.00.UTG+1 Folds.UTG+2 raises all-in for $327.46Hero calls, all in $298.00Now, clearly at least one of these guys has aces. But I think it's pretty likely I'm going to end up getting 2:1 on my whole stack. Do you agree with my call? I've seen UTG follow-up his preflop raise with a pot-sized bet on the flop. I suspect he's pushing aces hard. I don't have much to say about UTG+2. There' s been nothing out of line as of yet from him.A little follow up here. The actual hands were the following:UTG: A A K Q (0.391)UTG+2: A A T 6 (0.290)Hero: Q J T 9 (0.319)The all-in call costs me $298. It gives me 0.319 * (329 * 4) = 315 in pot equity. So (in this particular case), I make $17 by making the call. I'm fortunate to have a live suit here (diamonds). UTG's hand is unusually good, though. I think it's a close call. Link to post Share on other sites
joeltebbutt 0 Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 This call is -ev by itself but if your opponents are paying attention it may be good for metagame Link to post Share on other sites
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