fatman 1 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Can he be a successful manager in Europe? Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 My initial response was a simple no, but he has had success with less pure talent at times, so I really don't know. Doubt we'll see it, though. Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Interesting question, at what level in Europe would this scenario encompass? I couldn't see him being a Premiership Manager alongside the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Interesting question, at what level in Europe would this scenario encompass? I couldn't see him being a Premiership Manager alongside the likes of Sir Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger.I think you're wrong. The challenge would only be could he get past the politics of being the first American to venture that far, etc.I think the most viable scenario is that he's hired to take over a team that has just dropped from the Premiership or is struggling in the Championship. He takes 2-3 years, gets them to re-qualify, and then with a little money gets them consistently finishing in the top 10 of the premiership by his 8th year as manager. He becomes a hero for that club, and is forced to make a difficult decision on whether to take the ManU job (remember, the chair is an American) when Sir Alex retires. Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I think you're wrong. The challenge would only be could he get past the politics of being the first American to venture that far, etc.In retrospect, I agree with this, but even if given the chance, he better have some immediate success. Otherwise, it would hurt others that are behind him from the USA pondering a chance overseas. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 In retrospect, I agree with this, but even if given the chance, he better have some immediate success. Otherwise, it would hurt others that are behind him from the USA pondering a chance overseas.Yeah, he's by far the best coaching product we've ever had.The MLS seems so beneath him now, though. Maybe he'd take a crack at doing another national team like Canada or somethin. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 He is very well respected by many across the pond. If there was to be an american coach that would coach a big time club, it would be him. He is the only thing that america has right now that is world class. It gets pointed out that he is american, but remember that Martin O neill is Norther Irish(that powerhouse of a nation) and he is considered one of the best coaches(of course he was also a legend at Forrest and ManU during his playing days). Really its a matter of whether or not a club would want to give a shot to Arena and if he would want to leave coaching the US Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I believe he said this was his last year as National Team coach unless they went to the semis or something, right?Or was it he was staying for another WC unless they either did terrible or did really well??Meh.How about that Bradley kid? Thought he played well in the warmups.. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I could see Arena maybe coaching for a major team that's not in a major league, like Ajax or something. Link to post Share on other sites
MisterB 2 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I think you're wrong. The challenge would only be could he get past the politics of being the first American to venture that far, etc.I think the most viable scenario is that he's hired to take over a team that has just dropped from the Premiership or is struggling in the Championship. He takes 2-3 years, gets them to re-qualify, and then with a little money gets them consistently finishing in the top 10 of the premiership by his 8th year as manager. He becomes a hero for that club, and is forced to make a difficult decision on whether to take the ManU job (remember, the chair is an American) when Sir Alex retires.I think this by far is the best case scenario for Arena.. the problem is "IF" he ever did make it to a BIG club he would be on a very short leash with the fans and media which from what I can understand are pretty brutal when it comes to football.. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I could see Arena maybe coaching for a major team that's not in a major league, like Ajax or something.Nahh..that won't happen anytime soon. Chances that Ajax hires a foreign coach with nog significant reputation are very low IMO.I think you're wrong. The challenge would only be could he get past the politics of being the first American to venture that far, etc.I agree with this. I'm quite sure he wouldn't get a job at a top tier/ mid tier prem team. He simply didn't prove that much with team USA. Link to post Share on other sites
MisterB 2 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Nahh..that won't happen anytime soon. Chances that Ajax hires a foreign coach with nog significant reputation are very low IMO.I agree with this. I'm quite sure he wouldn't get a job at a top tier/ mid tier prem team. He simply didn't prove that much with team USA.taking an unrated and quite frankly poor team to the quarter finals of the WC is quite an accomplishment... he basicially has developed a nations entire soccer system Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 I agree with this. I'm quite sure he wouldn't get a job at a top tier/ mid tier prem team. He simply didn't prove that much with team USA.he has brought the US team along in a massive way. He is also well respected by many in the coaching profession and people running clubs in europe. While I can't see him latching onto a top tier team in europe, he can easily take over a mid tier club once he gets his UEFA coaching badges Link to post Share on other sites
MisterB 2 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 what does it take to get "coaching badges" in europe? just out of curiosity? I mean what would it take for him to even be allowed to work in europe? Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 what does it take to get "coaching badges" in europe? just out of curiosity? I mean what would it take for him to even be allowed to work in europe?to get coaching badges you have to take certain courses approved by UEFA. as far as being allowed, I doubt that it would be all that hard for him to get a work visa if a club wanted him. If you are to coach at any top flight club in europe you need a UEFA A badge Link to post Share on other sites
MisterB 2 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 i watched an interview he did... and he definitely has no plans as of yet, but he said when his contract is up he is certain hell get an 'opportunity abroad'so there you have it... good luck bruce Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 i watched an interview he did... and he definitely has no plans as of yet, but he said when his contract is up he is certain hell get an 'opportunity abroad'so there you have it... good luck bruceHopefully that doesn't mean coaching a Japanese league team lol.I think Verdimme's ethnocentrism on an international level is staggering. I'm all about it when concerning one's own state, but geez, this guy poops on all things American soccer. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hopefully that doesn't mean coaching a Japanese league team lol.I think Verdimme's ethnocentrism on an international level is staggering. I'm all about it when concerning one's own state, but geez, this guy poops on all things American soccer.First, coaching a Japanese team might not be a bad thing. Look at Arsene Wenger for example..he worked for Grampus in Japan and now he is coach of Arsenal.Second, I'm not pooping on everything American about soccer. I'm just expressing an opinion. Did I ever say I dislike everything about American soccer..? I definately like some players, for example O'Brien. He did very well during his period at Ajax. I also think Beasley and Howard are class players.Calm down and don't take it this serious. Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I think you're wrong. The challenge would only be could he get past the politics of being the first American to venture that far, etc.I think the most viable scenario is that he's hired to take over a team that has just dropped from the Premiership or is struggling in the Championship. He takes 2-3 years, gets them to re-qualify, and then with a little money gets them consistently finishing in the top 10 of the premiership by his 8th year as manager. He becomes a hero for that club, and is forced to make a difficult decision on whether to take the ManU job (remember, the chair is an American) when Sir Alex retires.LOL, where is the SW ?? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 LOL, where is the SW ??Optimistic, yes. Unreasonable, no. But, you're made in Belgium.no sw Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 he has brought the US team along in a massive way. He is also well respected by many in the coaching profession and people running clubs in europe. While I can't see him latching onto a top tier team in europe, he can easily take over a mid tier club once he gets his UEFA coaching badgesI agree with you, but lets not forget who they had to beat to qualify for the world cup. Put team USA in a European Group and they most likely wont qualify every time.Optimistic, yes. Unreasonable, no. But, you're made in Belgium.no swJust because MAN U is owned by an American does not mean an American will coach it. As an example, how many euro coaches do you see on the NBA benches? err...0...same thing applies for Soccer, especially in England. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I agree with you, but lets not forget who they had to beat to qualify for the world cup. Put team USA in a European Group and they most likely wont qualify every time.Just because MAN U is owned by an American does not mean an American will coach it.Well Shyt, even countries like Spain don't qualify every time.I didn't imply that Arena would coach Man U b/c an American owned it, but I implied that he had a better chance there....if everything else up to that point went right.Your analogy with the basketball coaches is no good b/c the top international and club basketball teams in Europe don't come from English-speaking countries. Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Well Shyt, even countries like Spain don't qualify every time.I didn't imply that Arena would coach Man U b/c an American owned it, but I implied that he had a better chance there....if everything else up to that point went right.Your analogy with the basketball coaches is no good b/c the top international and club basketball teams in Europe don't come from English-speaking countries. so because they dont come from english speaking countries, that means they cant speak the language? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 so because they dont come from english speaking countries, that means they cant speak the language?No but:1. Their familiarity of it may not be to the comfort-level of NBA owners.2. They would be most effective with teams speaking their native tongues, thus my assertion that Bruce's best chance was in England.I mean, c'mon, Birmingham is no Arsenal. Bruce could certainly take that team. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 DonkSlayer, FWIW, I would put a lot of money on Martin O'neill being the next ManU coach. He wants to get back into coaching now, and you could very well see him take a hold of a mid sized club and then jump over to ManU when its time for Sir Alex to retire. Very few coaches in the world can coach at that club, and BA will never be one of those coaches Link to post Share on other sites
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