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[BilliardsBoy]

Calling preflop rather than raising. I'm sure people have a story about just calling the blind preflop with KK and how one hand they got sickly paid. But in the long run, and according to everyone's poker strategy, do you raise with KK or just call, and if you just call when would be the time to do this. Posting this because I took a big one up the A$$ this past weekend after a guy just called preflop, and my pocket 6 hit on the flop but so did his KK. I pushed him all in figuring the only two hands that beat me, TT or KK, would've raised preflop.

[Smasharoo]

if you just call when would be the time to do thisNever, it's pointless.

[Emptyeye]

Agreed. As JaysonWeber might say, 'RAISE RAISE RAISE CAAAAAAAAP.' or 'AAAAAAALL-IIIIIN' in a no-limit situation.When I play No-Limit, IF I'm coming into a hand at all where I'm not in the BB, I'm raising 3XBB no matter what. Just calling with Kings in particular is just begging for an ace to fall on the flop, and then what do you do? Having said that, MAYBE I call in a heads-up situation where I want my opponent to see a flop (Or if I see he's been pushing every hand, I'll call, wait to him to push in, then call again). In a full game, never. Slowplay a big hand and you're begging to have it backfire (Ask Phil Hellmuth, though I must give him his due for his NHUCP performance).

[KDawgCometh]

Anytime I've gotten cute with Kings or Aces I've been burned. In fact some idiot smooth called my CO raise with Kings(i had A7 diamonds, it was a CO steal attempt). Well I flopped a nut flush draw, gutshot, and obviously had a live over card. I bet out the flop and he get cute and calls. THe turn brings me a seven I bet he raises, I call. The river brings me another seven I bet he riases so I threebet him and we cap it. He then starts bitching that I got lucky, which is true, but I told him he should've three bet PF, to which his reply is "I was disguising my hand, I wanted the BB to get involved." Well I told him you diguised it for a loss. He let me get in with a hand that cracked him. Granted I would've called the three bet, and probably have seen it to the river by checkcalling and still would've sucked out, but at least he would've played it right

[jayistheman]

in NL, its no good... deception is good, but how often are you gonna bust someone with just one pair? i mean.. in a NL 100 room... we both have stacks of 100 dollars. if i limp with kings, and check raise him all in on the flop.... how can he possibly call with anything less than one pair?

[NormanHaupt]

NOTHING tilts me faster than someone smoothcalling KK. ****ing pieces of shit its a good hand, play it like a good hand. If i beat you I'm going to make you pay the entire game. You don't only lose one pot you're going to lose the entire thing.

[The Ace of Jades]

I actually just called with KK on saturday at a live single table tourney. There were three of us left. Me and another guy were staying about even whith each other while the other guy still had alot of my chips when he rivered a boat to beat my ace high straight. I'm in the small blind, I look down to find KK and start thinking about how I should play this. Luckily the guy with my chips made the decision for me and asked me how many chips I had left. So, thanking the poker gods silently, I counted out my chips and just called. Turns out he had KQ of clubs, the hand I later won with while it dominated the other guys Q4 after about four all ins in a row from him.The next hand they gave me a free flop, something they really shouldnt do cause I seem to hit strong hands more often then, I've got a ten and a blank and the flop comes K Q 9, he checks, another free card for me, turn is a jack, he puts me all in, I call and now have him covered. He had slowplayed his pair of kings. The river was an ace, clinching the hand for me, knocking him out, and returning all those splendid chips to me.

[UglyJimStudly]

BilliardsBoy said:

But in the long run, and according to everyone's poker strategy, do you raise with KK or just call, and if you just call when would be the time to do this.

There are no "nevers" in poker, but this one is close. I might just call if it's an incredibly tight-weak table where everybody folds to a preflop raise unless they have high pocket pairs, but in that case the most profitable move is to find a better table. I might also just call if there's a loose-aggressive player somewhere downstream giving raise tells, in which case a limp-raise can put more money in the pot. But most of the time, it's dumb not to raise.