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[the_stein]

what are you trying to say

[Erik67]

Absolutely right. This forum does have the occasional nugget of good info, but most fall into categories.1. Micro limit players telling us how World Champions suck.2. Non stop hero worship of the TV pros that they will never be like.

[fryer98]

Erik67 said:

Absolutely right.  This forum does have the occasional nugget of good info, but most fall into  categories.1. Micro limit players telling us how World Champions suck.2. Non stop hero worship of the TV pros that they will never be like.

Is there a better forum?? I'd like to check it out, if there is.

[Royal_Tour]

He's trying to say that people care more about gossip on other members, than about helping out someone in need of advice.Its the same reason people slow down to look at car accidents.

[BilliardsBoy]

No, I think its because we've formed some weird quasi-society on this site, and just like in any society we care about other members. Yes, usually there are more posts about other forum members or how much we like/hate some player rather than on a help thread, but thats to be expected. Most people on this forum probably feel that they are not the type to give advice on how to correctly play a hand, especially since some bad advice is an invite for other forum members to tear your poker strategy appart. However, everyone on this forum has an opinion, and opinions are much easier to defend then strategy. In all honesty, I want more people to say what they think about an off topic and less people to give advice on hand playing. Certain people probably wouldn't give good advice to others, but new opinions and different viewpoints on the "Smash is a genius/ass" debate seem to fit. Just like Highschool: no one likes to raise their hand and get the wrong answer, but you'll be hard pressed to find a quite lunchroom.

[ChuckSty]

well put billiardsboy. i agree completely, granted i've only been eating lunch here for a couple of months

[ChuckSty]

well put billiardsboy. i agree completely, granted i've only been eating lunch here for a couple of months

[KDawgCometh]

Erik67 said:

Absolutely right.  This forum does have the occasional nugget of good info, but most fall into  categories.1. Micro limit players telling us how World Champions suck.2. Non stop hero worship of the TV pros that they will never be like.

If you haven't noticed there is a srtaegy section where a lot of poker related content goes, but then agaon why should anyone check other areas of the site? I'd like to see more people posting hands there but thtere seems to be a small minority of us who are using that section on a normal basis

[NormanHaupt]

BilliardsBoy said:

No, I think its because we've formed some weird quasi-society on this site, and just like in any society we care about other members.  Yes, usually there are more posts about other forum members or how much we like/hate some player rather than on a help thread, but thats to be expected.  Most people on this forum probably feel that they are not the type to give advice on how to correctly play a hand, especially since some bad advice is an invite for other forum members to tear your poker strategy appart.  However, everyone on this forum has an opinion, and opinions are much easier to defend then strategy.  In all honesty, I want more people to say what they think about an off topic and less people to give advice on hand playing.  Certain people probably wouldn't give good advice to others, but new opinions and different viewpoints on the "Smash is a genius/ass" debate seem to fit.  Just like Highschool:  no one likes to raise their hand and get the wrong answer, but you'll be hard pressed to find a quite lunchroom.

The other day I was about to make a post asking us to define our roles here.. still might do it... infact... brb

[Erik67]

KDawgCometh said:

Erik67 said:

Absolutely right.  This forum does have the occasional nugget of good info, but most fall into  categories.1. Micro limit players telling us how World Champions suck.2. Non stop hero worship of the TV pros that they will never be like.

If you haven't noticed there is a srtaegy section where a lot of poker related content goes, but then agaon why should anyone check other areas of the site? I'd like to see more people posting hands there but thtere seems to be a small minority of us who are using that section on a normal basis

Good point. The "General" section is at the top of the list and likely one to read when time is short.

[Erik67]

fryer98 said:

Erik67 said:

Absolutely right.  This forum does have the occasional nugget of good info, but most fall into  categories.1. Micro limit players telling us how World Champions suck.2. Non stop hero worship of the TV pros that they will never be like.

Is there a better forum?? I'd like to check it out, if there is.

twoplustwo is unmatched in content and bet-the-pot is good also. Don't get me wrong, I've been a part of weightlifting, poker an real estate investing forums and they all suffer from this. Nothing is perfect. My time here comes in 10-20 minute increments, so I don't get my meaning across clearly sometimes as I'm in a hurry. I should either take the time to post my complete thoughts or shut up :oops: Erik

[BilliardsBoy]

I know what your saying. I'm not trying to flame you or nothing, sorry if it came off like that. I just wanted to point out that this forum mirrors our society and the little groups everyone naturally falls into. Granted, for a poker forum, there sometimes seems to be more petty arguements rather than actual strategy, but like you said it's similar in any forum. Throw in a bunch of computer savvy people with egos, opinions and an avatar to hind behind and you will almost always get the same result.Happy posting.

[Royal_Tour]

BilliardsBoy said:

No, I think its because we've formed some weird quasi-society on this site, and just like in any society we care about other members.  Yes, usually there are more posts about other forum members or how much we like/hate some player rather than on a help thread, but thats to be expected.  Most people on this forum probably feel that they are not the type to give advice on how to correctly play a hand, especially since some bad advice is an invite for other forum members to tear your poker strategy appart.  However, everyone on this forum has an opinion, and opinions are much easier to defend then strategy.  In all honesty, I want more people to say what they think about an off topic and less people to give advice on hand playing.  Certain people probably wouldn't give good advice to others, but new opinions and different viewpoints on the "Smash is a genius/ass" debate seem to fit.  Just like Highschool:  no one likes to raise their hand and get the wrong answer, but you'll be hard pressed to find a quite lunchroom.

I'm sorry billiards boy, but advice should not be categorized as to whos is more valid. Your whole theory on posts like "is smash an azz" went down the shidder today when the moderators removed it from this forum entirely. In my opinion, i'd rather hear, "why dont you try raising pre-flop" rather then,, "is so and so a loser for telling so and so hes a moron"

[BilliardsBoy]

Royal_Tour said:

BilliardsBoy said:

No, I think its because we've formed some weird quasi-society on this site, and just like in any society we care about other members. Yes, usually there are more posts about other forum members or how much we like/hate some player rather than on a help thread, but thats to be expected. Most people on this forum probably feel that they are not the type to give advice on how to correctly play a hand, especially since some bad advice is an invite for other forum members to tear your poker strategy appart. However, everyone on this forum has an opinion, and opinions are much easier to defend then strategy. In all honesty, I want more people to say what they think about an off topic and less people to give advice on hand playing. Certain people probably wouldn't give good advice to others, but new opinions and different viewpoints on the "Smash is a genius/ass" debate seem to fit. Just like Highschool: no one likes to raise their hand and get the wrong answer, but you'll be hard pressed to find a quite lunchroom.

I'm sorry billiards boy, but advice should not be categorized as to whos is more valid. Your whole theory on posts like "is smash an azz" went down the shidder today when the moderators removed it from this forum entirely. In my opinion, i'd rather hear, "why dont you try raising pre-flop" rather then,, "is so and so a loser for telling so and so hes a moron"

Your absolutely right, advice should not be categorized. But your a fool to think its not done by every member on a subcon. level. Every person on this post knows who is the real deal when it comes to hand advice. I myself will sometimes scroll through a long post first to see if certain forum members that I respect more posted their thoughts before going back to read the others. That's how it is. You may think its bogus, but the fact is that I'm going to listen more to what wrto or Smash has to say rather than John Q. Member who joined last Friday.And how did my theory go down the shidder??? I said that people are more willing to give opinion about a social issue rather than how they would play a hand because you need some sort of clout to give poker critique and none to state an opinion. I'm well aware that the "Smash azz" post was removed, I was simply using that as the example as it was used in the initial post here. I'm simply saying that for you to think that everyone on here is an expert and will give perfect advice instead of the opinion on the number of other topics on the forum is a little off. To be honest, how many "how would you play this hands" can you really read and get better? In the beginning it helped me greatly, they are crucial to helping all forum members with strategy and for the posters who want to know what they should have done differently. But I also enjoy the social aspect of this forum, as most people are. There isn't a lack of interest in hand history, there just a lack of expert advice to give.I'll say it again. I'd rather have five guys on this forum, who have played poker for years and/or are undoubtably experts in the game explain how to play a hand rather than 5000 John Q. say what they would do in their limited experience. And John Q. feels the same way. No, they should not be barred from telling what they would do, but everyone censors themselves because they aren't always confident in their strategy. And I'll say it again. Everyone and everyone has an opinion on many other topics that do not require pot odds, bankrolls, or BB/hr. And it is these opinions that people are more willing to hand out and put on the chopping block because it is much easier to write off a bad idea as just an opinion. It's a lot harder to do the same with a hand where there is usually an correct and incorrect move.

[Royal_Tour]

Ok, i agree with you that not every advice is correct. And, yes,, i do the same as you. I will scroll through to see who has said what. Especially to see if regular members have posted, whom i know have great advice.But comon man, your honestly goin to say that you think everyone with a opinion should keep their mouth shut, unless they are wrto, or smasharoo??You used "smash is an azz" as an example to say that people on this forum act like some social club with gossip amongst each other. True. some of the members do. but also true, that behaviour like that usually tends to fade with age. I'll just assume your young, and enjoy those posts.

[BilliardsBoy]

No, they should not be barred from telling what they would do

Royal_Tour said:

But comon man, your honestly goin to say that you think everyone with a opinion should keep their mouth shut, unless they are wrto, or smasharoo??You used "smash is an azz" as an example to say that people on this forum act like some social club with gossip amongst each other. True. some of the members do. but also true, that behaviour like that usually tends to fade with age. I'll just assume your young, and enjoy those posts.

I think your missing something here, I can't figure it out. No one should be barred from posting hand advice, period. I said that "I" don't value the advice of certain members the same as people like Jayisthman or Absolute or guys like that. Maybe that was too harsh for you, but its the truth. And I'd be willing to put money on the fact that many forum readers are the same. You said yourself that you do the same thing, so why do you continue to act as though I'm trying to form a movement to eliminate all but 5 forum members? I stated my personal feelings on the topic, I did not say that everyone should stop, merely that I prefer to read only a few posts from the experts rather than all from the masses.Yes I'm young, so what? I'm a 20 year old college student of Drexel. So now are YOU saying that my age makes MY opinion not valid? Maybe it is true that us young'ns enjoy the social aspect of this forum more than the elderly, although I think that's quite a bold and all-encompasing statement for you to make. I looked through the list of posts you've made and saw that they almost always related to poker strategey. Congratulations, maybe there is some credibility to your age statement after all. I believe you saidHe's trying to say that people care more about gossip on other members, than about helping out someone in need of advice. Its the same reason people slow down to look at car accidents.I simply disagree here. People don't care about the gossip more than helping. I think its a simple fact that not as many people can help. There's no car accident, rather its someone asking for help jumpstarting their car and a lot of us may not have jumper-cables in the trunk. I believe you'll find this analogy much more valid

[Royal_Tour]

Ok.. I agree to dissagree.Good debate. I enjoyed the fact that you researched my past posts. Well played. lolI wish i could continue but I have a big day tomorrow.. goin to home depot to get some flooring. Maybe bed bath and beyond, dont know if i'll have enough time

[Absolute]

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