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[NormanHaupt]

Watched a guy make a tricky play with a good strong bet.About an hour later, I landed with AKo in my hand. This is .05/.10 NL but I ignre the blinds and play against enemy stacks.Anyway, one limper ahead of me, I raise 3xBB. ... dude to the left of me reraises 3x my bet (.30 to $1) .. I called fearing pocket pair.Flop drops Rag - Rag - Rag. I mean absolutely nothing. 2 5 8 rainbow. I make a bet, one dollar.He comes back at me with a 3 dollar reraise.wtf!I folded, and he flipped over AQ.Did I missplay?

[Smasharoo]

Did I missplay?Only if you could see his cards.If you called very possible bluff you'd lose a lot of money paying off KK/QQ/JJ whatever here.

[Vade]

I have the same problem with AQ and AK, I've got to learn to lay it down to a flop raise. No way around it, unless I have a nut flush draw.

[Emptyeye]

Yeah, from a strictly "what am I better than here?" standpoint, there's a lot of overpairs there that beat you--not to mention the unlikely possibility that he was trying to make a move and hit the flop hard. Good fold IMO.

[dekehead]

NormanHaupt said:

Watched a guy make a tricky play with a good strong bet.About an hour later, I landed with AKo in my hand. This is .05/.10 NL but I ignre the blinds and play against enemy stacks.Anyway,  one limper ahead of me, I raise 3xBB. ... dude to the left of me reraises 3x my bet (.30 to $1) .. I called fearing pocket pair.Flop drops Rag - Rag - Rag. I mean absolutely nothing. 2 5 8 rainbow. I make a bet, one dollar.He comes back at me with a 3 dollar reraise.wtf!I folded, and he flipped over AQ.Did I missplay?

Can't fault you for play here. Judging from your opponents willingness to reraise your aggressive bets, I would have put him on at least top pair, but more so an overpair of some sort... With your strong bet pre-flop, you're already representing a big hand. His raise of your big preflop (with you holding AKo) would send bells off in my head that he's possibly holding a decent pair, or at least is trying to represent one to you... Either that, or he really thought you were trying to buy the blinds, but that probably wouldnt be the case with this low-change NL game. Your second bet of the $1 (half the pot on flop) is perhaps the only error I could possibly find in your strategy, especially if he was willing to triple your preflop raise. Again, he's also wanting to represent a big hand of some sort. I would have perhaps bet the pot, But I dont think it would have mattered, since your opponent was probably content on trying to force you out. Now, looking at it from your opponents eyes, with the money being peanuts, if Im holding AQ preflop and a someone raises 3xBB to me forcing others to fold, Im staying in with my AQ, and Im going to force you to prove that you have something ... I'd be willing to play them similar to a big pair in a one-on-one contest if all I have to payout is 3 bucks to see your pair. This isnt a strategy worth discussing, since it's simply paying to see. Long story short, Emptyeye has the right idea in my opinion.

[NormanHaupt]

YeahAfter thinking about it awhile, I think I chauk this one up to positional loss. He sat left of me the entire table.I know I just chewed up the guy left of me for 40xBB by himself, plus 15xBB from the others.

[cdxx]

Vade said:

I have the same problem with AQ and AK, I've got to learn to lay it down to a flop raise.  No way around it, unless I have a nut flush draw.

daniel has a good article on ak vs aq. i am sure if you look for it you'll find it (though i couldn't). he out his opponent on aq on the turn, because the bets looked like equity protection too much.

[jayistheman]

when he reraised you pre flop, you lost most, if not all, of your ability to utilize fold equity. he took the lead from you, so you must now play the hand as though you are drawing. he was overly agressive, and outplayed you on the flop.... next time this happens with that player (or anyone else who saw this hand) try to play your strong hands the same way. (assuming most of the players at those stakes are that observant :roll: )

[BilliardsBoy]

Good fold, good raise by him. 'Nough said.