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[Kangaroo]

Ok so Ive heard raising the minimum preflop is donktastic. So I had a situation tonight where there were two callers and i was in last position with KK. Id been slowly accumulating chips up to 2100 and was looking to hopefully double here. I wanted to raise but keep them in so I raised the minimum. 1 called one went all in, the long and short of it was Jacks outdrew my kings.

Now this isnt a bad beat story but when I have a hand as big as this what is my move preflop when almost everyone folds (1 or 2 callers). with many Id put in a 3xBB raise but do I still do that here.

the problem is min raise- people probably still call with average hands and not getting anyone out. raise too much and I get no action and check and im leaving myselfy open to trash hitting hands.

Please help thanks.

[Bizzle]

Now this isnt a bad beat story

Yes, it is. Rule 3.

[Wingmaster05]

haha bizzle

harrington suggest min raises when your FIRST in and want a blind to make a mistake by calling with improper odds. But with players in, you have to raise at least 3x and cut down on the field, or your variance is going to get very unstable (unless you can fold Kings more than i can).

Always bet so you have a positive expected value, or in some way set up for more EV later on.

[shpaget]

All tables have patterns....and those patterns change throughout a tourney.

I've been at tables were a 3bb raise will thin the field but get some action...I've seen tables were you need to go 5-6BB before you start thinning the field...I've been at tables (more in cash games than tourneys) where people decide they're gonna play their hand, no matter what, so pf betting is almost irrelevent as far as thinning the field is concerned. I've played tables where a 10BB raise will get more action than a 4BB raise because it looks suspicious.

And a table where 4BB is a standard raise suddenly changes at bubble time where a 2.5bb raise will cause all but AA to fold.

You just need to watch your table and see what happens with different pf raise sizes and adjust accordingly. A 3BB raise may get you 1 or 2 callers in one hand, and then an hour later with the same players all holding the same cards it may get 0, or 5.

The minraise has its place...to blindly assume it's a donk play is to be a donk yourself.

[Kangaroo]

Yes, it is. Rule 3.

sorry, didnt know you made the rules in this forum. The point of the post was the question asked about keeping peop[le in a pot, not the result. I know Kings are favourite to Jacks and the problem wasn't about getting it all in vs Jacks.

thanks for the constructive feedback.

I dont assume that the mion raise is a donk play, ive just heard it in some situations so wasn't sure if this was one. So the long and the short of it is basically different raises for different tables? I didnt really have that much of a read on the table at that time so would it be safe to say when unsure just a 3xBB?

[Royal_Tour]

O RLY?

[Bizzle]

sorry, didnt know you made the rules in this forum.

Of course I did. I wouldn't be Greatness Personified if I didn't make the rules.

The point of the post was the question asked about keeping people in a pot, not the result. I know Kings are favourite to Jacks and the problem wasn't about getting it all in vs Jacks.

thanks for the constructive feedback.

I dont assume that the mion raise is a donk play, ive just heard it in some situations so wasn't sure if this was one. So the long and the short of it is basically different raises for different tables? I didnt really have that much of a read on the table at that time so would it be safe to say when unsure just a 3xBB?

Minraising behind limpers is a fairly donk play. You never give the blinds here, which makes a big difference, but whatever. If there is a simple play and a complicated play, do the simple play every time. Two limpers in front of you, I assume you wouldn't minraise AK or AQ, so don't minraise KK.