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#21 Royal_Tour

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 04:52 AM

huh??I've laid down kings preflop., once and it was similar to this situation, except there was a 3rd partya preflop limp from EP, a raise, my re-raise, Limp pushes, raise calls., i fold.it was AA vs junk, I'm saying in HU, back and forth,. roothlus probably had the mind set to fold if PPsux pushes, which he even types out and explains, I put him on AA if he pushes.



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 04:59 AM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 4:52 AM, said:

I'm saying in HU, back and forth,. roothlus probably had the mind set to fold if PPsux pushes, which he even types out and explains, I put him on AA if he pushes.
Thats the pt of his articleHe say he knows PP and knows he wouldn't make this play w/ AK or QQ. Thus he knows he is on KK or AA. And since he has KK its more likely PP has AA. More of a story of knowing his opponent, a random player and I'm bettn the play is different.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 05:04 AM

View Postkrup24, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 4:59 AM, said:

Thats the pt of his articleHe say he knows PP and knows he wouldn't make this play w/ AK or QQ. Thus he knows he is on KK or AA. And since he has KK its more likely PP has AA. More of a story of knowing his opponent, a random player and I'm bettn the play is different.
Ya I understand, I just think he's giving a player he knows of, (doesnt know personally) too much credit.I've given players i kinda know credit before and its burned me.



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 05:06 AM

"theman3232 said, "what does overlay mean?"A $300 tourney? Hope he was kidding.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 05:13 AM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 5:04 AM, said:

Ya I understand, I just think he's giving a player he knows of, (doesnt know personally) too much credit.I've given players i kinda know credit before and its burned me.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:00 AM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 6:04 AM, said:

Ya I understand, I just think he's giving a player he knows of, (doesnt know personally) too much credit.I've given players i kinda know credit before and its burned me.
This didn't burn Roothlus though, what did he lose total? 350? And if he called he would have gotten 350 back? I mean what can PrtyPsux put roothlus on? At WORST JJ-AA and AK and I think that range is veryyyyy liberal for early on with a reraise from UTG. I think the raise to 350 is brilliant he loses the minimum whenever PrtyPsux pushes. Why is it wrong for him to put a raise in and then say in his mind, okay if he pushes over the top of this I fold? He knows that a push over the top indicates most likely AA. Calling off his whole stack in a case where hes likely a 4:1 dog, and at best chopping seems pretty horrible to me.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:05 AM

I think its fine.dude put him on AA or KK (7 possible hands)tied with one, 81-19 to 6equity 11.9% and folds.
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:07 AM

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:10 AM

View PostSuited_Up, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 7:07 AM, said:

No, someone would've 4 flushed. It's stars.
well if they played on FT they would've hit a king on the flop, so there. :club:
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:16 AM

View Post....Ian...., on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 7:05 AM, said:

I think its fine.dude put him on AA or KK (7 possible hands)
7 possible variations.only 2 hands, u either have aces or kings, kings are less likely because he holds 2 of the 4,



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:26 AM

View Posttskillz187, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 7:00 AM, said:

This didn't burn Roothlus though, what did he lose total? 350? And if he called he would have gotten 350 back? I mean what can PrtyPsux put roothlus on? At WORST JJ-AA and AK and I think that range is veryyyyy liberal for early on with a reraise from UTG. I think the raise to 350 is brilliant he loses the minimum whenever PrtyPsux pushes. Why is it wrong for him to put a raise in and then say in his mind, okay if he pushes over the top of this I fold? He knows that a push over the top indicates most likely AA. Calling off his whole stack in a case where hes likely a 4:1 dog, and at best chopping seems pretty horrible to me.
umm i dont know about you, but when i do math, i usually factor in the required info.soo my calculations tell me he loses 600 with a fold.but hey, what do i knowP.S. the whole point of my side was that he is giving him all this credit and puts him on AA, I gave Gov credit, and then he called pot size bets with 3,3 to the river.LOL. J/S



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:36 AM

View PostPrtyPSux, on Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 11:51 PM, said:

ugh u didnt see that did YOU???lol the $300 tourney, w/e I was busting no matter what. But how bout my blow up in the $ 150 :club:
Yep, saw em both.. 27 people made the money and I was pretty positive you were making it through then BAM, 29th.. And in the $150, I guess the cards were just against you the whole time

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:37 AM

View PostWingmaster05, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 11:10 AM, said:

well if they played on FT they would've hit a king on the flop, so there. :club:
Can't hit another "K"..they both have KK

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 07:42 AM

Ok. heres a question.i like this thread so i wanna keep it going.What is this 300.00 to roothlus, and what is it to Party??If you're in roothlus' shoes, and you play these 300.00 buy-ins daily, or if 300 is a bit lower than your normal buy in, do you make this call?what if its the WSOP ME and you saved up your cash to play, is it now an easy fold?I'm not gonna lie, that my views are based on the idea that its an online tourney, and i'm playing well within my BR so busting is not a big deal.



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:00 AM

View Post10'sorbetter, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 8:37 AM, said:

Can't hit another "K"..they both have KK
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 08:53 AM

View Postmk, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 5:34 AM, said:

Did you not read what Roothlus wrote? He had a very strong read that Prty would only play his hand this way if he held KK or AA. Since there is only 1 way to make KK and 6 ways to make AA, he was actually a massive underdog to Prty's range, and therefore folding is correct. This is not hard.
Oh, I see, you are the resident pro on what is and isn't hard? If you think laying down the second best starting hand there, is an easy decision, you are crazy. Just because someone is a good player it makes the decision correct? My point was that I think the way the hand played out that Aces are much less likely in that situation. Or am I the only person here that if I am Prty and I have Aces that I just call the re-raise? I DON'T move in with Aces. I don't know much about how Prty plays but I don't think he is so tight that he would only come over the top with those hands here. I'm with Royal, I would only consider laying down Kings if it was more than 1 person in the pot and there has been significant strength shown, where moving in with Aces makes more sense to get isolated on only 1 player. Unless he plays with Prty daily I don't see how his range only includes Aces and Kings....and even then.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 09:07 AM

View PostRDog, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 11:53 AM, said:

Oh, I see, you are the resident pro on what is and isn't hard?
When the topic in question is reading comprehension I feel confident in saying it isn't hard.

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Posted 27 April 2006 - 09:43 AM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 8:52 AM, said:

huh??I've laid down kings preflop., once and it was similar to this situation, except there was a 3rd partya preflop limp from EP, a raise, my re-raise, Limp pushes, raise calls., i fold.it was AA vs junk, I'm saying in HU, back and forth,. roothlus probably had the mind set to fold if PPsux pushes, which he even types out and explains, I put him on AA if he pushes.
This is the exact situation I folded them before too. Sometimes, you just KNOW.



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Posted 27 April 2006 - 09:56 AM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 10:16 AM, said:

7 possible variations.only 2 hands, u either have aces or kings, kings are less likely because he holds 2 of the 4,
I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with ...Ian...'s number, but there are 7 variations.4 C 2 + 2 C 2 = 7(C = choose) (4C2 for the 4 Aces, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matter) (2 C 2 for the 2 remaining K's, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matte)
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Posted 27 April 2006 - 10:07 AM

View PostPetoria, on Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 9:56 AM, said:

I'm not sure if you were disagreeing with ...Ian...'s number, but there are 7 variations.4 C 2 + 2 C 2 = 7(C = choose) (4C2 for the 4 Aces, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matter) (2 C 2 for the 2 remaining K's, how many distinct ways are there to choose 2 if order doesnt matte)
yes, variations, not hands, you cant have 6 hands of AA, you can only have 2, but there is 6 different combinations.It just sounded like he was saying it was 6:1






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