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Man this makes me mad...I don't care what the guy's shirt said, people don't have any right "not to be offended."
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Free Speech = Unconstitutional
Started by DonkSlayer, Apr 26 2006 09:36 AM
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:36 AM
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:41 AM
He's in HS. That shirt has no business being there. Besides, there are many freedoms pre-18 year olds can not enjoy. Hell, I was an 18-year old smoker and I'd get razzed every day when I lit up right after school in my car.
If this were college, it'd be a different matter entirely. As we've seen, we've allowed people to picket with obnoxious signs at the funerals of fallen soldiers.
If this were college, it'd be a different matter entirely. As we've seen, we've allowed people to picket with obnoxious signs at the funerals of fallen soldiers.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:44 AM
I think the ruling is crap and needs to be reevaluated, but I also think the schools should have the right to decide their own dress and conduct codes. I don't think students should be able to wear black armbands as a war protest either, you're there to learn, not to teach.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:49 AM
As long as the shirt doesnt condone or encourage violence, it should be allowed.
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men. Blessed is he who, in the
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of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 09:51 AM
QUOTE (Petoria @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As long as the shirt doesnt condone or encourage violence, it should be allowed.
So shirts with nudity, drug paraphenalia, kiddy porn, beastiality, racial slurs etc are all ok in High Schools?
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 10:35 AM
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 1:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So shirts with nudity, drug paraphenalia, kiddy porn, beastiality, racial slurs etc are all ok in High Schools?
You should be able to wear anything you can say. If the kid is allowed to say "Homosexuality is evil", then he should be able to wear it.
I don't think public schools should be able to mandate what the students where unless it's strict, like, a pique polo and khakis, and skirts for the girls. You can't tell people some speech is ok, some not.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:17 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You should be able to wear anything you can say. If the kid is allowed to say "Homosexuality is evil", then he should be able to wear it.
I don't think public schools should be able to mandate what the students where unless it's strict, like, a pique polo and khakis, and skirts for the girls. You can't tell people some speech is ok, some not.
I don't think public schools should be able to mandate what the students where unless it's strict, like, a pique polo and khakis, and skirts for the girls. You can't tell people some speech is ok, some not.
I can respect that. We come from different angles. I don't think any of this has any place in our schools.
However, your rights end where someone else's begin. That's the way the Constitution was designed and it has worked fairly well thus far.
My litmus test for situations like this is to apply the situation to something that hits home. The statistic is that 5% of the US population is homosexual. So let's say you are a white kid (presumably you are) who goes to a school that is 95% non-white. How would you feel if shirts saying, "White People are Evil," were allowed. Wouldn't you want someone sticking up for you?
If these are adults, I am in complete agreement. Where whatever the hell you want. But these are kids already having a tough enough time.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:19 AM
I think the God-boy should be allowed to wear that shirt. i also think that anyone offended by it should be allowed to kick his stupid, judgemental Christian *** around the block.
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
Additionally, I challenge anyone to show me where in the Bible "God says it's wrong" to be gay.
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
Additionally, I challenge anyone to show me where in the Bible "God says it's wrong" to be gay.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:22 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You should be able to wear anything you can say. If the kid is allowed to say "Homosexuality is evil", then he should be able to wear it.
I don't think public schools should be able to mandate what the students where unless it's strict, like, a pique polo and khakis, and skirts for the girls. You can't tell people some speech is ok, some not.
I don't think public schools should be able to mandate what the students where unless it's strict, like, a pique polo and khakis, and skirts for the girls. You can't tell people some speech is ok, some not.
So the following slogans are also acceptable?
"Blacks are a lesser race."
"Women belong in the kitchen."
"I hate Mexicans."
"Go back to China."
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Monday, February 20th, 2012, 1:13 PM)
Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:26 AM
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 3:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Women belong in the kitchen."
Can you send me a link where I can buy this one? My girfriend would get a kick out of it.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:29 AM
QUOTE (ajs510 @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you send me a link where I can buy this one? My girfriend would get a kick out of it.
Yeah I will after I finish the website. I'm starting a line of offensive shirts.
Be the talk of the town in your 'I hate Mexicans' hoodie!!
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Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:30 AM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 3:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the God-boy should be allowed to wear that shirt. i also think that anyone offended by it should be allowed to kick his stupid, judgemental Christian *** around the block.
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
While an asskicking may be in order, "Born Again Christians are Azzholes" would not be allowed, b/c you can't say "Azzhole" in any public school i've been in.
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So the following slogans are also acceptable?
"Blacks are a lesser race."
"Women belong in the kitchen."
"I hate Mexicans."
"Go back to China."
"Blacks are a lesser race."
"Women belong in the kitchen."
"I hate Mexicans."
"Go back to China."
If you may say that in school, then you may where it on a shirt.
I didn't say I think it was OK or that I like it or anything else, but that's not what the 1st Amendment says.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:32 AM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you may say that in school, then you may where it on a shirt.
I didn't say I think it was OK or that I like it or anything else, but that's not what the 1st Amendment says.
I didn't say I think it was OK or that I like it or anything else, but that's not what the 1st Amendment says.
Yes but the point is that you CAN'T say these things in school. Of course you can say them out loud to a friend or in a small group, but wearing a slogan on a t-shirt is akin to saying something in front of the entire school. If you got up at assembly and said "Latinos are all idiots," you would be suspended.
QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Monday, February 20th, 2012, 1:13 PM)
Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
Hitler was not motivated by hate.
Gervais: What do you worry about, that you've heard on the news?
Pilkington: I heard something about worms getting teeth.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:34 AM
All I can say is USA law has got real skewed. Man, you guys run an effed up country down there.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:46 AM
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 3:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes but the point is that you CAN'T say these things in school. Of course you can say them out loud to a friend or in a small group, but wearing a slogan on a t-shirt is akin to saying something in front of the entire school. If you got up at assembly and said "Latinos are all idiots," you would be suspended.
Well, it's tricky in public schools, and that's the point I think. I bet if you did that at an assembly, they would try to get you in trouble, and would if you didn't get a lawyer or something. I'd wager it wasn't intentionally against the rules, but in my experience whenever somebody said something an administrator didn't like, they would just get them for "harassment". Whatever that means.
Liberals harass me for having a different opinion than me on a lot of subjects. Lock'em up.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:57 AM
QUOTE (timwakefield @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Go back to China." T-shirt made in China
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 11:58 AM
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So shirts with nudity, drug paraphenalia, kiddy porn, beastiality, racial slurs etc are all ok in High Schools?
Obviously thats not what I meant.
The path
of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 12:29 PM
QUOTE (Petoria @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Obviously thats not what I meant.
Obviously, but the line is so blurred that I think it's best to keep all this crap out of high schools.
Under your rules a shirt saying, "Homosexuals are gay," is ok, but "Have you beat a queer today?" is not. They both are derogatory, although shirt #1 is funny as hell... I'd wear it.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 12:53 PM
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 3:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Obviously, but the line is so blurred that I think it's best to keep all this crap out of high schools.
Under your rules a shirt saying, "Homosexuals are gay," is ok, but "Have you beat a queer today?" is not. They both are derogatory, although shirt #1 is funny as hell... I'd wear it.
Under your rules a shirt saying, "Homosexuals are gay," is ok, but "Have you beat a queer today?" is not. They both are derogatory, although shirt #1 is funny as hell... I'd wear it.
I guess #1 is derogatory, but #2 is definitely inflammatory. There's a difference.
Your right the line is blurred. I'd prefer to error on the side of free speech in this case though. I think you should not be allowed to display anything illegal (i.e. Drugs, porn, violence, etc.). Or any "bad words", or inflammatory speech.
The path
of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
of the righteous man is beset on
all sides by the inequities of the
selfish and the tyranny of evil
men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will,
shepherds the weak through the
valley of darkness, for he is truly
his brother's keeper and the finder
of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
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Posted 26 April 2006 - 12:59 PM
QUOTE (Mercury69 @ Wednesday, April 26th, 2006, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the God-boy should be allowed to wear that shirt. i also think that anyone offended by it should be allowed to kick his stupid, judgemental Christian *** around the block.
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
Additionally, I challenge anyone to show me where in the Bible "God says it's wrong" to be gay.
How about I wear a t-shirt that says "Born Again Christians are Assholes"? You really think i'd get away with it?
Additionally, I challenge anyone to show me where in the Bible "God says it's wrong" to be gay.
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22
That is God giving the law to Moses.
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