Appalachian Trail (2/4)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 2/4 NLHE (9-handed)UTG $414Cobalt $427Cobalt is MP w/ A T . UTG is a little loose pre-flop, but he's not a maniac and plays fairly predictably solid post-flop.Pre-flop:UTG calls, 2 folds, Cobalt calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB raises to $8, BB calls, UTG calls, Cobalt calls, Button callsFlop ($40): T A 5 (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $25, Cobalt raises to $90, 3 folds, UTG re-raises to $225, Cobalt ?

[krup24 0]

HmmmmmmmmmmUTG is not a maniac post flop so we have to respect his lead OOP and reraise. 2 clubs on the board hes not slowplaying his 55. Action looks like he has 55 to me. With your read on the player I would have to fold.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Cobalt, what was your image at this table? Does UTG think you're capable of raising him with a draw, or with a weak suited a?The only reason it matters is because I want to be able to start leaning toward what UTG has. He doesn't have 10-10 or AA. I need to decide between A-5 or 55 here. I don't see how you can avoid getting your stack in here if you can't decide what he has. You call, turn bricks, you check, he pushes, you call.You call, turn flushes, you check, he checks, river bricks, you push, he calls?You call, turn flushes, you check, he checks, river bricks, you check, he pushes, you call.You push, he calls.Or you fold and lose sleep about it unless he shows you a set.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Real question is whether UTG plays 10x , KQ JQ KJ or A5 the same way in this hand.If he is capable of a big semi bluff then I think its a call.

[DonkSlayer 1]

UTG is a little loose pre-flop, but he's not a maniac and plays fairly predictably solid post-flop.

I think we've established that he isn't. I do wonder about the A-5 though. Krup?

[krup24 0]

I think we've established that he isn't. I do wonder about the A-5 though. Krup?

Yes A5 is very possible but would he reraise w/ it that is my real question. Maybe he has AT also. A5 I think he smooth calls Cobalts raise to ensure no pairing of the board.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I think we've established that he isn't. I do wonder about the A-5 though. Krup?

How does predictable and solid mean hes not willing to put his money in the middle with 12 outs?You dont have to be tricky to semi bluff with a flush draw + gutshot.

[MasterLJ 0]

The only (REASONABLE) hand you are behind right now is 55. Not only is it incredibly situationally rare that you have top two and they have a set, but you also have a decent amount of outs.I think this is a semi-bluff and a coin flip (KQ clubs or what not). I'd call.EDIT: put in reasonable

[DrZebra 0]

I think this is a semi-bluff and a coin flip (KQ clubs or what not). I'd call.

and you would be broke.this is a set.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

I made this post based on the reads, UTG is loose preflop but solid postflop.I think I will fold.While UTG's initial betting amount looks like it, but I don't think UTG is raising with TcXc or KcQc etc because as cobalt describes UTG plays pretty solid postflop. If he has those hands he's either likely to push than raising because he will have better pot equity (two draws on the flop instead of one draw on the turn if it doesn't get there) and fold equity by pushing, or to just call if not fold. No matter what, raising with those hands with that amount in that position doesn't seem right for a good post flop player.Say he plays reasonably well postflop, if he has AQ/AK will he bet $25 into a $40 pot under the gun in a 5-way pot? Say you have AQ/AK utg will you bet that amount with 5 player seeing the flop? Many good players will bet around the pot to get information or as a statement bet.Is he likely to underbet it with 55 (he's loose preflop) knowing someone will come over the top when there are 4 players to act and someone is likely to have AX or simply bluffing? Likely.Since I refused to believe that UTG has AQ/AK or a semi-bluff drawing hand, when he comes over the top after Cobalt's solid raising it's a reluctant !#$%&* but a fold to me.What about A5? With that uncertainty I would prefer fold. Over the long term I expect to run into a set more than top-bottom pairs should the same situation occurs.

[Jordan 1]

limp 55 utg.this be tough to get off of as that's about the only hand I'd be putting him on thath as me beat.but 55 would make perfect sense here.- Jordan

[MasterLJ 0]

and you would be broke.this is a set.

You think that UTG is going to be their set when there is a pre-flop aggressor waiting to act behind him?I know the board is scary, but you can pretty much guarantee yourself the opportunity to c/r your set here given the pre-flop action.

[DrZebra 0]

You think that UTG is going to be their set when there is a pre-flop aggressor waiting to act behind him?I know the board is scary, but you can pretty much guarantee yourself the opportunity to c/r your set here given the pre-flop action.

Why in the world would I check-raise when I can bet-raise-reraise???????????

[MasterLJ 0]

Why in the world would I check-raise when I can bet-raise-reraise???????????

Because "knowing" that you could bet-raise-reraise requires ESP and would make this game a hell of a lot easier.All I'm saying is that is the one element that makes me think this is not a set. It certainly could be, but it also plays eerily similar to KcQc/KcJc/QcJc

[Kaedin 0]

online, bottom set in a raised pot, broadway/flush draw board - a good player isnt slow playing 555 here.

[DrZebra 0]

Because "knowing" that you could bet-raise-reraise requires ESP....

errr wrong!!!read doyle.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Real question is whether UTG plays 10x , KQ JQ KJ or A5 the same way in this hand.If he is capable of a big semi bluff then I think its a call.

He'd be putting himself in an awkward spot by underbetting the pot if he's drawing. I think he'd want to push in that case.I think I'd want to push with the set, too. But I'd especially not want to be hanging with a draw.

[MasterLJ 0]

Bah nm...I'll say that I'm probably wrong here. This is exactly how a set plays it with only 2 more to call.

[tapeworm 0]

He'd be putting himself in an awkward spot by underbetting the pot if he's drawing. I think he'd want to push in that case.I think I'd want to push with the set, too. But I'd especially not want to be hanging with a draw.

Do you mean the reraise puts a drawing hand in a awkward spot or the initial underbet does? Just wondering, because I do not see how the initial bet does, and if thats what you mean, please explain.I hate two pair for the reason of this hand. Its so vulnerable. I agree that this smells like a setEDIT: NEvermind, I think you mean the reraise and I see what you are saying.

[InertGrudge 0]

I would be very, very surprised if he doesn't turn over 5-5 or a flush draw with a gutshot.Looks like 5-5 though.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Villain might think I'm capable of raising this with some sort of draw or ace.I didn't think he was on the draw, but AT/TT/A5/55 all seemed decently plausible. I knew all the money was likely to go in if I just called, so I went ahead and pushed on the remote chance that this was a draw...or possibly A5. My strongest feeling was 55. Unfortunately, I didn't trust my read enough. I should've also recognized that I'd only put ~$100 into the pot at that point. Needless to say, y'all are better players than me. Should've been able to get away from what seems to obviously be a set of 5s (and was).

[Kaedin 0]

Villain might think I'm capable of raising this with some sort of draw or ace.I didn't think he was on the draw, but AT/TT/A5/55 all seemed decently plausible. I knew all the money was likely to go in if I just called, so I went ahead and pushed on the remote chance that this was a draw...or possibly A5. My strongest feeling was 55. Unfortunately, I didn't trust my read enough. I should've also recognized that I'd only put ~$100 into the pot at that point. Needless to say, y'all are better players than me. Should've been able to get away from what seems to obviously be a set of 5s (and was).

lot easier for us to say easy fold when we werent the ones playing the hand:)

[David_Nicoson 1]

Do you mean the reraise puts a drawing hand in a awkward spot or the initial underbet does? Just wondering, because I do not see how the initial bet does, and if thats what you mean, please explain.I hate two pair for the reason of this hand. Its so vulnerable. I agree that this smells like a setEDIT: NEvermind, I think you mean the reraise and I see what you are saying.

I didn't make that very clear, but you have figured out my meaning. I'm talking about the raise to 225.

[offset 0]

I don't think a solid player is reraising a strong draw here, his mindset being that he does not want to put in a lot of money drawing 50/50. A5s is 3 combinations (clubs already out)55 is 3 combinations.Even loose players may fold A5s UTG, so 55 seems more likely, enough so that folding seems to be the better play.

[Dratj 0]

Well, I've learned to fold 2 pair on the flop now when my raise gets reraised. A rereraise is usually a monster hand because a good player knows that a raise usually means a strong made hand that doesn't want to get drawn out cheaply on, so to rereraise, the hand must even be stronger. This of course goes out the window if your opponent is really stupid but I'm assuming that's not the case here.