Sh $200: Turn Decision

[InertGrudge 0]

Nothing really on the SB here. He had just sat down at the table two orbits before and had only gotten involved in one small hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($92.55)SB ($203.10)Hero ($466.85)UTG ($89.45)MP ($30.25)CO ($58.80)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 , 7 . UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4.Flop: ($24) 6 , 8 , 3 (4 players)SB bets $18, Hero calls $18, UTG folds, MP folds.Turn: ($60) 3 (2 players)SB bets $40, Hero...Pushing okay here?

[tapeworm 0]

I would likely push here since you got a strong draw and gambling is fun, but it might depend on what sort of hands you put villain on. I know you said you have no read, but you must have some idea of how people play at this level. If you think there is some fold equity then pushing is a good play. The problem is that it is not really a scary board. Its gonna be hard to imagine a hand that would call the flop bet, but is suddenly worth pushing, so I feel you have minimal fold equity. My guess is that he has an overpair like 99-QQ and will call any push, but he could be bluffing making it a strong play. Since I feel he will call with an overpair and since your draws are relatively concealed, I almost feel like calling is a reasonable play too(athough a bit weak), hoping for the $140 left in his stack if you hit. You might also be able to bluff an Ace on the river, again depending on your read. Although, one other hand I could see being played this way is AKc, which kills your flush draw.My thoughts are that pushing is -EV but the funny thing is that it is probably what I would do in the same spot. If anything, it lets people know you are willing to push draws so that they call when you push with your set. Man...those are my kinda confused thoughts....good post i guess..

[Scott3705 0]

SH, SB's range is going to be a lot larger than a full ring raise, so we may be able to fold Aface, kq type hands. I'd have to imagine most overpairs are going to call tho as the 3 will help them more times than it helps you. I think a push folds AK and gets a call from an overpair.Pushing: gets a profit of $100 when we catch AK or like handsPushing: gets a $239 Profit 30% of the time $179 loss 70% of the time $54 lossPut a % on what you think he has, and there's your answer.I don't like calling here, just because I'd rather be aggressive in this spot in SH games. However, in a vacuum, this hand could be played as a call getting not awful pot odds but being compensated for implied odds. Like I said, tho, only in a vacuum.

[fozsier 0]

Just as an added dimension to my game, I will sometimes use a value-bet semi-bluff in a spot like this, where there seems to be little fold equity to a push. If you raise to $100, leaving him with about 80 if he calls, he may slow down with an overpair, giving you a cheap shot at your draw, knowing you are willing to put the rest in if he goes over the top, but might get a free check down on the end if we whiff. The flop call and small raise on the turn looks like a made boat or trips and will often slow people down with QQ-99.

[tapeworm 0]

I don't like calling here, just because I'd rather be aggressive in this spot in SH games.

Yeah, after I typed that I was thinking calling isn't great. So, are you saying it is a fold/push situation? Lets pretend you think he has a callable overpair with 90% certainty, making a push -EV, is calling or folding better? I mean I guess it dpends on whether you think you can get a call on the river, but what are your thoughts on that? I kinda feel we have too strong of a draw to fold, but a couple killers might be if villain has AKc(same flush) or if a club or str8-card(like a 9) gives him a FH. Thoughts?

[DrZebra 0]

Pushing okay here?

Was this hand with me?I swear I was in an almost identical hand yesterday on party, but the hero in this case was short-stacked. Maybe the hand history will give you insight...Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 , 9 . UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4.Flop: ($24) 6 , 8 , 3 (4 players)2 checks, Hero bets $18, UTG calls, MP folds.UTG has 77 left.Turn: ($60) 3 (2 players)check, Hero bets $40, UTG thinks forever and callsRiver: ($140) J :spade:check, Hero bets $40, UTG folds99% of the time I would've checked behind and lost (I assume) but since Villain didn't push on the turn, I had to assume he didn't have a made hand, and he would fold on the river.I think you can bump that turn.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Nothing really on the SB here. He had just sat down at the table two orbits before and had only gotten involved in one small hand.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($92.55)SB ($203.10)Hero ($466.85)UTG ($89.45)MP ($30.25)CO ($58.80)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 , 7 . UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4.Flop: ($24) 6 , 8 , 3 (4 players)SB bets $18, Hero calls $18, UTG folds, MP folds.Turn: ($60) 3 (2 players)SB bets $40, Hero...Pushing okay here?

I don't play much 6-handed, but I'd fold this preflop. Here you flop a draw and have to call a flop bet before you see the action of the field behind you. As far as the push, I don't think it's bad. The nice thing about a flat call is that you can still get paid on the river if you hit one of the 6 outs to the straight that don't make a flush.

[Scott3705 0]

Was this hand with me?I swear I was in an almost identical hand yesterday on party, but the hero in this case was short-stacked. Maybe the hand history will give you insight...Preflop: Hero is Button with 7 , 9 . UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4.Flop: ($24) 6 , 8 , 3 (4 players)2 checks, Hero bets $18, UTG calls, MP folds.UTG has 77 left.Turn: ($60) 3 (2 players)check, Hero bets $40, UTG thinks forever and callsRiver: ($140) J :spade:check, Hero bets $40, UTG folds99% of the time I would've checked behind and lost (I assume) but since Villain didn't push on the turn, I had to assume he didn't have a made hand, and he would fold on the river.I think you can bump that turn.

Unless you're making this up, that's prett creepy. It's not the same hand tho. (PS vs. PP)

Yeah, after I typed that I was thinking calling isn't great. So, are you saying it is a fold/push situation? Lets pretend you think he has a callable overpair with 90% certainty, making a push -EV, is calling or folding better? I mean I guess it dpends on whether you think you can get a call on the river, but what are your thoughts on that? I kinda feel we have too strong of a draw to fold, but a couple killers might be if villain has AKc(same flush) or if a club or str8-card(like a 9) gives him a FH. Thoughts?

If we were 100% certain he had an overpair. I think I'd be willing to call (even though I don't like calling here) just because the pots right for i. I don't think you can really fold here. Just saying for the game as a whole, we probably should push here.

[krup24 0]

If we were 100% certain he had an overpair. I think I'd be willing to call (even though I don't like calling here) just because the pots right for i. I don't think you can really fold here. Just saying for the game as a whole, we probably should push here.

I'm not quite sure why but I really just want to call here.

[Scott3705 0]

I'm not quite sure why but I really just want to call here.

Yeah, Like i said, hand in a vacuum a call might be good here depending on how tight the villain is. The tighter preflop he is, the more a call is in order beecause our implied odds are compensating for our pot odds here. The looser he is preflop (the greater chance he has air) I think a push becomes more profitable.

[InertGrudge 0]

Alright gang.Thanks for all the great thoughts.I was actually not the one playing this hand, but myself and my buddy had some disagreement over the correct play here.Hero pushes all-in, Villian takes every second and calls...River: Q Villian shows..... J 8 , wins with a higher flush. We were pretty gutted when he showed that hand. I don't think I call there with that hand. Thanks!

[GoCryWolfe 0]

I personally like his hand a lil better than "ours". 2 pair with a draw to a flush? I like it more than just an open-ender and a flush.

[Jay-Dub 0]

Before reading the outcome, I was leaning toward calling as there are a lot of bluff potentials on the river, and your straight cards almost certainly give you the best hand (pretty concealed, too).Seeing his hand now, I like his call. Unless you were slowplaying a set or big pair on the flop (pretty silly on that board), the turn prob didn't help you.