antistuff 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Three limpers and I raise on button with AQ, the q being of clubs.The flops is 4c, tc, 3dThey check to me and I bet, two calls and the third limper checkraises I call as does everyone else.The turn is 4hTwo checks and the checkraisiers bets, I fold.game is semi loose and passivethe checkraiser seems tight and aggressive, i have no idea if he is good or not yet. Link to post Share on other sites
amarillotg 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Three limpers and I raise on button with AQ, the q being of clubs.The flops is 4c, tc, 3dThey check to me and I bet, two calls and the third limper checkraises I call as does everyone else.The turn is 4hTwo checks and the checkraisiers bets, I fold.game is semi loose and passivethe checkraiser seems tight and aggressive, i have no idea if he is good or not yet.fold. he's not c/r 3 people on a bluff. the best you can hope for is 6 outs to improve, you're not closing the action and those 6 outs could be dirty. plus you could be drawing dead. Link to post Share on other sites
hotbacon 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah a fold is good here. You're not closing the action and are drawing to really dirty outs, have rio, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Yeah, you have to fold. Mathematics shouldn't control your entire game. If a guy is check-raising the flop and turn and the game is as loose as you say it is, it's time to lay your hand down. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 don't bet this flop - just because you raised preflop does not mean you auto-bet with no draw against 3 players Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 flop bet good.You don't have to 100%, but in a loose game, you have best hand (or they missed enough) a lot and can take it down well more than 1/10 times. Danny's being results oriented, don't mind him.I like the whole hand. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 Danny's being results oriented, don't mind him.I tend to focus on the results when I'm talking about my money... Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I tend to focus on the results when I'm talking about my money...are u suggesting the flop bet is no good as well?or just that results analysis is valid?or just making jokes?thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 are u suggesting the flop bet is no good as well?or just that results analysis is valid?or just making jokes?thanks.Well, it's pretty orthodox to bet here, but Danny suggests otherwise...nobody's folding with any piece or a draw. With 4 in the pot with you, you probably dont have the best hand. Check, hoping spike something on the turn, which probably will make a good hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 ok..I'll consider.Maybe I'm too tight and think about the hands I"d fold if bet again.Like 55-88. I'm not good at Equity or trying to give good estimates, but I would think in a pot this size we could increase our chances to win by betting now.I would shut down on turn if we get two+ callers though Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 ok..I'll consider.Maybe I'm too tight and think about the hands I"d fold if bet again.Like 55-88. I'm not good at Equity or trying to give good estimates, but I would think in a pot this size we could increase our chances to win by betting now.I would shut down on turn if we get two+ callers thoughim not being results-oriented, just willing to check behind (acting last) if i completely whiff on the flop and will likely not be able to get folds.its read-dependent of course, if there's any chance you can get some folds here, then do so, but in my experience you will get 0-1.keep in mind we don't know the turn is going to be a 4, which is a great card for us. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 , but in my experience you will get 0-1.no way? Really? On this raggy flop?man, you get no respect at the tables Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 no way? Really? On this raggy flop?man, you get no respect at the tables QFTdepends on the site and limit though. at Absolute 1/2 i'd expect two folds, but at Party 2/4 i'd expect 0.whats our plan for a ragged turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 QFTdepends on the site and limit though. at Absolute 1/2 i'd expect two folds, but at Party 2/4 i'd expect 0.whats our plan for a ragged turn?check behind unless HU, if HU, bet against loose passives and take free SD.chk behind tights or trickies.you know, Limit is too stressful. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted April 26, 2006 Author Share Posted April 26, 2006 For what its worth, I had the best hand on every single street. Nobody had a pair until the river, when the qj hit his pair to win it. The checkraiser had a7s of the appropriate suite. He loved to semi bluf so much had this happend maybe 20 hands latter I would have three bet him.I did think the flop bet might have been a little iffy, but if its good or if checking is good i think its close. If I had checked behind, he would have bet the turn, do you think that would have been a call (remember I didnt know about his tendency to semi bluff until later)? Link to post Share on other sites
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