Very Tricky Hand In A Home Cash Game

[Dratj 0]

1/2 nl, five handed, everyone is loose aggressive. The exception is the button is weak tight. People raise preflop just to pump up the pot. Someone raised to five bucks everyone calls. Pot is 25 bucks preflop. I have 99 in the small blind. flop is K Q 9, 2 hearts.I bet out pot size, BB smooth calls, button pushes for 175. I have 300 bucks and BB has me covered. What would you do?

[throwemaway 0]

1/2 nl, five handed, everyone is loose aggressive. The exception is the button is weak tight. People raise preflop just to pump up the pot. Someone raised to five bucks everyone calls. Pot is 25 bucks preflop. I have 99 in the small blind. flop is K Q 9, 2 hearts.I bet out pot size, BB smooth calls, button pushes for 175. I have 300 bucks and BB has me covered. What would you do?

Would button actually flat call pre flop with QQ or KK..I don't think soBB on that heart draw? If hes LAG, likelyReally worried about 10 jack for someone here, but we do have redraw outs if thats the case...Laying down sets is not a profitable play in the long run..I jam it here, make BB pay for his flush drawEverything else I assume we are ahead of

[Dratj 0]

I went all in and the BB called. You are right, someone did have 10 J and it was the BB. The button had QK for top two and I was drawing to the case 9 for the whole pot and a K or a Q for the side pot. I only had one out for the whole pot and four outs for the side pot. The case nine did not pop up on the river and I lost a huge pot. It was the biggest pot of the night. BB took down 800 bucks on that pot. I was worried about 10 J too but not good enough to fold a set and figured I still had outs.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I went all in and the BB called. You are right, someone did have 10 J and it was the BB. The button had QK for top two and I was drawing to the case 9 for the whole pot and a K or a Q for the side pot. I only had one out for the whole pot and four outs for the side pot. The case nine did not pop up on the river and I lost a huge pot. It was the biggest pot of the night. BB took down 800 bucks on that pot. I was worried about 10 J too but not good enough to fold a set and figured I still had outs.

I'd maybe fold here... you're looking at a set-over-set, or very possibly 10J like it turned out to be.I think you're going to be beat here more often than not... having some good reads on your opponents is a good idea too. I see you said they were playing loose, but that doesn't mean they can flop a monster..

[Dratj 0]

I'd maybe fold here... you're looking at a set-over-set, or very possibly 10J like it turned out to be.I think you're going to be beat here more often than not... having some good reads on your opponents is a good idea too. I see you said they were playing loose, but that doesn't mean they can flop a monster..

i never worry about set over set. If i flop a set, I will usually have all my chips in the middle. If I lose to an overset so be it. According to Phil Gordon, it happens one in a hundred. I was worried about j 10 but I can't be certain and my hand is too powerful to lay down. If I had the same scenario again, I still don't think I could fold.

[Bob Saget 0]

I'd maybe fold here... you're looking at a set-over-set, or very possibly 10J like it turned out to be.I think you're going to be beat here more often than not... having some good reads on your opponents is a good idea too. I see you said they were playing loose, but that doesn't mean they can flop a monster..

No.Folding in this spot in a five-handed game is just flat not possible....no way someone just calls with QQ or KK........pretty much the ONLY realistic hand that has you beat is 10 J...and you have plenty of redraw outs against that......no way to get away from this.

[Dratj 0]

Nobody else responding to this? Jordon? you wanted a real problem hand. Here it is.

[JCans23 0]

1/2 nl, five handed, everyone is loose aggressive. The exception is the button is weak tight. People raise preflop just to pump up the pot. Someone raised to five bucks everyone calls. Pot is 25 bucks preflop. I have 99 in the small blind. flop is K Q 9, 2 hearts.I bet out pot size, BB smooth calls, button pushes for 175. I have 300 bucks and BB has me covered. What would you do?

put your chips in the pot quickly and hope not to get outdrawn by button

[godoffrisbee 0]

No offense, but this is not exactly a tricky hand. you have a set, other people almost definitely do not have a set, unless they are very very tricky and smooth-call OOP preflop with QQ or KK. I think your first mistake is not re-raising preflop. 99 is a strong enough hand to warrant a reraise preflop and you can also fold to a rereraise preflop. By reraising preflop, there's a good chance you can thin the field and possibly take down the pot on the flop even if the flop is an unfavorable one; you may even get a hand like KJ to fold on a KQ4 flop if you stay aggressive. On the flop, the moves are simple: bet bet bet. If you're scared to get all the money in with a set, quit poker. The button may make the push with KQ, K9, AK, maybe even Q9, all hands you have ripped. In conclusion, tough hand, you did everything right on the flop, but I would have reraised preflop to tell the table that you're strong.

[XXEddie 0]

I'd maybe fold here... you're looking at a set-over-set, or very possibly 10J like it turned out to be.I think you're going to be beat here more often than not... having some good reads on your opponents is a good idea too. I see you said they were playing loose, but that doesn't mean they can flop a monster..

id fold too, after I saw the results

[Jordan 1]

Nobody else responding to this? Jordon? you wanted a real problem hand. Here it is.

I only have a few instances where I've been "good" enough to fold a set on that kinda board.Once was with 10s in a deep stacked NLHE Game. UTG raised, I re-raised, he called. Flop was QTJ. He checked, I bet, he min raised, I re-raised, he re-raised a substantial amount I called. The turn was a blank and he bet. I raised and he re-raised...here I folded face up. He was kind enough to show AK. But to be honest, I don't think it was the "best" fold I've made. I was behind JJ QQ and AK. I was ahead of KK/AA and I doubt either hand plays it that way. Although with this player I knew he'd re-raise KK/AA preflop. So I was pretty sure it was AK/QQ. Maybe Jacks.However, in hindsight...do i advocate laying down sets? Not often at all.But if you have the read, and the reason, and that kinad board with those kinda players...well the strongest play is to go with your read, not just push your money in cause "I have a set".Sorry it didn't work out for you here. - Jordan

[NoSup4U 0]

In this hand, your 'read' was actually on the guy you had beat. Which is a good example of why you can't lay this hand down, especially at a short table.I also agree with whoever said to reraise pf. If everyone at the table is loose/aggressive, then playing 99 vs probably at least 3 other hands probably isn't that ideal. Plus, if you aren't reraising in this situation, then you probably only are with AA or KK, and that gets a bit predictable.Good non fold, sucks that the hands you were up against had you drawing dead essentially. Ugh.Mark

[SonicReducer 0]

I like the pre flop re-raise idea because mor ethan likely it gets J 10 out, but this all after we know the flop advice...not as easy when you don't know what the flop is going to be.But the pf re-raise gives you tons more info at least.

[Dratj 0]

I like the pre flop re-raise idea because mor ethan likely it gets J 10 out, but this all after we know the flop advice...not as easy when you don't know what the flop is going to be.But the pf re-raise gives you tons more info at least.

this is game is crazy loose aggressive. it doesn't matter what I raise to, the guy with J 10 will call with anything hoping to outflop me. If i raise preflop to 50, j 10 will still see a flop, this I guarantee. Besides it's also his favourite hand.

[Jay-Dub 0]

I'd still reraise preflop in a loose game like that. I want JT calling my raises when I have 99, although I am confused how he can be classified "weak/tight" and play JT for a raise Weak, OK, but that's not tight. Anyway, I can only think of one time I've ever laid down a set. It was live game and I flopped a set of 4's on 456 board. The guy was giving off tells like no tomorrow that he had a straight. So after some betting and raising I laid it down face up, and he turned over 23. Sucks, but happens sometimes. Very tough spot to be in.Regarding your situation, with the BB behind me I would make this call hoping one of them is on two pair or a draw, and realizing that you still have outs if the straight is out there. At least you got something out of the side pot. Rough hand though.

[Dratj 0]

I'd still reraise preflop in a loose game like that. I want JT calling my raises when I have 99, although I am confused how he can be classified "weak/tight" and play JT for a raise Weak, OK, but that's not tight. Anyway, I can only think of one time I've ever laid down a set. It was live game and I flopped a set of 4's on 456 board. The guy was giving off tells like no tomorrow that he had a straight. So after some betting and raising I laid it down face up, and he turned over 23. Sucks, but happens sometimes. Very tough spot to be in.Regarding your situation, with the BB behind me I would make this call hoping one of them is on two pair or a draw, and realizing that you still have outs if the straight is out there. At least you got something out of the side pot. Rough hand though.

KQ is the guy that is weak tight. Not j 10. Also, I lost the side pot because side pot was with j 10.

[MasterLJ 0]

Smooth call and a raise all-in, I'm folding this.

[Dratj 0]

Smooth call and a raise all-in, I'm folding this.

Reason please?

[MasterLJ 0]

Reason please?

Because there's a smooth caller and an all-in *bonk*. To get more to the point and the fundamentals of my playstyle... you've completely lost control of the hand. You no longer can buy information from your opponents by raising and have nothing to base your decision on except the actions of your opponents and you hold the 4th nuts. You aren't driving the betting and your hand is not the best hand possible. On top of all of that, playing J10 to a raise on the button in a multiway pot is certainly plausible. Unless you are playing with the donkiest of donk players, someone has you beat.Your investment in the hand is 5bb as well... there's simply not much to protect (your pf investment) and there is lots to lose.

[Dratj 0]

Smooth call and a raise all-in, I'm folding this.

Honestly, could and have you laid down a set on the flop?

[MasterLJ 0]

Honestly, could and have you laid down a set on the flop?

Honestly yes, and I have. I will never give people credit for the over-set so there has to be a compelling argument that someone has the straight or the flush. A multiway all-in is actually even worse because your outs are fried most of the time. You probably don't have the amount of outs you think you do especially with the lowest set.This is the super-secret to winning at hold'em... any idiot can play a big hand and win money. So if all you're doing is playing your big hands (nuts and 2nd nuts) the money you win will eventually be on par with all of the idiots (in essence, if you cannot lay down you will be giving as much money away as you will win). The way you make money in this game is NOT by winning big hands, it's by minimizing losses in big hands (read: big laydowns). You need a very compelling reason to call all-ins on the flop when you don't have the nuts, there's no sense of urgency (cash game), 1 is all-in before you and the other has smooth called on a very scary board, and you're investment in the pot is relatively small compared to what you are risking.EDIT: Bah, getting this all wrong.

[gooch 0]

[hijack]6 max 6 Max NL $ 25 Villian is LAG and has pushed at least 5 times in the past hourMe on the button $30Villian in BB Slightly $20Me QQFolded to the SB who raises to $1BB doubles to $2I reraise to $8SB folds, BB callsI am worried about KK here, but even possible for AKs, AA he would have come over the top I'm sureFlop K Q 9 rainbowChecked to me, I'm still worried about KK but hey I got my set so I have to got right?I push Villian calls-I don't improve, villian turns over?[/hijack]

[Jay-Dub 0]

Due to the nature of this thread I am going to have to guess JT. But due to stack and pot sizes, all-in was your only move anyway.

[MasterLJ 0]

Hmm, something is wrong here... how can it fold to the SB if you are on the button with QQ. Did you LRR?If we're talking about ABC players (which I doubt we are at the $25 NL table), BB can only have AK or 99.But since we're not talking about ABC players, I'm going to say KQ/K9, AK or 99.But since you said "I don't improve," that really only leaves an atrociously played JT or perhaps "KK scared of aces"

[gooch 0]

Hmm, something is wrong here... how can it fold to the SB if you are on the button with QQ. Did you LRR?If we're talking about ABC players (which I doubt we are at the $25 NL table), BB can only have AK or 99.But since we're not talking about ABC players, I'm going to say KQ/K9, AK or 99.But since you said "I don't improve," that really only leaves an atrociously played JT or perhaps "KK scared of aces"

Hmm, correct, I may have miswritten teh positon, I do know for sure it was check to me after the flop, maybe I was the BB then and Villian was the SB