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[Scott3705]

10 SNG

Blinds 15/30.

4 limpers to SB, who completes, I check in BB with 98o, i check.

FLOP: 180

9 8 6

I lead for 200, MP1 calls, Button calls, every one else folds

Turn: 7
C/F right?

[Jordan]

only after puking and making sure they don't min bet.

- Jordan

[krup24]

Easy C/F. And I'm glad to see you led the flop w/ a strong bet. I really hate gettin cutesy here. Any profit w/ 98o in the BB is a +. Oh well it's early in the tourney plenty of time.

[Scott3705]

This is why I suck at tourneys now. Rocketwaster and Copernicus, who i think are really good posters, are telling me this is not a C/F at all. It's a bet/fold. I don't know, in a cash game, I just can't see it.

[krup24]

This is why I suck at tourneys now. Rocketwaster and Copernicus, who i think are really good posters, are telling me this is not a C/F at all. It's a bet/fold. I don't know, in a cash game, I just can't see it.

Wow. Yeah definitely in a cash game I C/F this all day long. What are they possibly putting their opponents on calling a pot size flop bet. Some must have hearts they just must.

[Smasharoo]

Bet/fold.

You're kidding about not leading here, right?

good luck

[Scott3705]

Bet/fold.

You're kidding about not leading here, right?

good luck

no, I'm waiting to see if tourney gives me a good range, but I still don't have any type of range that would make this a bet/fold 1st hand w/o reads.

[DonkSlayer]

Bet/fold.

You're kidding about not leading here, right?

good luck

Why do I lead here? Hero put out a nice strong bet....and it still got called in two places. The calls mean villains also have two pair, already have a straight and Im a donk or not raising the bet, or have a set and played it scared. If the villains were drawing, each one got there. I think somebody has the nut flush right now and called the flop thinking hitting an A might be good as well.

If the callers both had overpairs, which is bloody unlikely considering no flop raises, they will not be betting into you.


C/F unless the bets give you proper odds to draw to the boat.

[Smasharoo]

Why do I lead here? Hero put out a nice strong bet....and it still got called in two places. The calls mean villains also have two pair, already have a straight and Im a donk or not raising the bet, or have a set and played it scared. If the villains were drawing, each one got there. I think somebody has the nut flush right now and called the flop thinking hitting an A might be good as well.

If the callers both had overpairs, which is bloody unlikely considering no flop raises, they will not be betting into you.
C/F unless the bets give you proper odds to draw to the boat.

You're missing the point. Leading a small bet here out of position has large upside and little downside. Leading a small bet here, say 50 is smart for a lot of reasons.

You'd fold/check here in position, but you're not in position, and you loose a lot of value not leading again on a very scary card to your opponents. If they call or raise, you're done with the hand unless you fill up.

good luck.

[krup24]

You're missing the point. Leading a small bet here out of position has large upside and little downside. Leading a small bet here, say 50 is smart for a lot of reasons.

You'd fold/check here in position, but you're not in position, and you loose a lot of value not leading again on a very scary card to your opponents. If they call or raise, you're done with the hand unless you fill up.

good luck.

Wow I'm very confused here. Lead $50 OOP into a $780 pot. Joke right? I mean I raise that bet in postion w/ the ace or king of hearts.

[DonkSlayer]

Wow I'm very confused here. Lead $50 OOP into a $780 pot. Joke right? I mean I raise that bet in postion w/ the ace or king of hearts.

Yeah...Smash I think you missed my point in that this is much more than likely a gin card for our opponents, and not a scary one. Nobody bets $200 into a pot OOP on that flop because the 7h on the turn makes their hand.

And, a $50 bet looks like a scared little puppy running away with his tail between his legs.


Smash I know you like to maintain control of the hands...I just can't go with you on this one.

[Smasharoo]

And, a $50 bet looks like a scared little puppy running away with his tail between his legs.

It looks like a weak lead with the nut flush if you don't have it.


Wow I'm very confused here. Lead $50 OOP into a $780 pot. Joke right? I mean I raise that bet in postion w/ the ace or king of hearts.

Then I fold.

When you do it when I have the nuts, then you wonder why you were out in 10th.

Either way.

good luck.

[rusmac31]

Scott,

Check/fold this turn as the flush and straight just got there...you still have 80% of your stack and plenty of time.

Also, on the flop, make a smaller bet, say around 100. it gives you more flexibility. ie.

By betting the pot on the flop, you've virtually comitted yourself to betting the pot on the turn if a non-scare card comes up, especially if they are still chasing the flush/straight.

Given that you've already bet the pot on the flop, any bet less than the pot on the turn shows that you are scared of the flush/straight and will get called/raised almost 100% of the time.

[SonicReducer]

I'd bet $100 on the flop and see what happens. If you get a raise I'd fold it. It's early.

[Naismith]

Maybe a small bet would work against a lot of people. I don't know. I am certain that if someone bet 200 on the flop and I called for some reason with, say A9 and no hearts, I would raise a 50 chip bet every single time on the turn. I would raise there with no pair, no draw. I would raise in that situation if I already folded and the dealer would allow me to.

Anyhow, if it wasn't a heart, I'd have a harder time folding since it was a gutshot. I think a 400 chip bet is the minimum that won't get raised by anyone in position. Maybe 300 if you think someone might put you on the nut flush. I'd be unwilling to commit that amount to see if I was ahead.

C/F to a real bet. C/C to a small bet. A lot of times here at the low levels, it will go check, bet, raise, fold, all in, call and someone with a 10 will lose to the obvious flush.

Good luck!