24 replies to this topic

[jjgoldy5]

Short handed no limit .25/.50

Both players have me covered with 100+ BB

TAG button open raises to 2.50, laggy SB reraises to 4.50, Hero picks up QQ and calls.

Button re-raises to 15
SB Calls
Hero folds?

[krup24]

TAG reraises OOP to 30BBs we have to fold QQ here.

[MasterLJ]

You may have even been able to put it down to the 4.50 raise. Calling is not horrible but it seems that we're not in control of the hand in any sense. We have a vulnerable hand and are out of position. The re-raise to $15 with 2 callers screams KK or AA, nice laydown.

[jjgoldy5]

You may have even been able to put it down to the 4.50 raise. Calling is not horrible but it seems that we're not in control of the hand in any sense. We have a vulnerable hand and are out of position. The re-raise to $15 with 2 callers screams KK or AA, nice laydown.

My thinking on calling the 4.50 is ok...obviously the TAG is strong with a 5x BB raise, but maybe he is on JJ/1010 or AK/AQ playing from the button, and the laggy player was raising evvverything, but once it got back around to him, and he reraised, and the loose player called, I was fairly certain I was behind.

[MasterLJ]

My thinking on calling the 4.50 is ok...obviously the TAG is strong with a 5x BB raise, but maybe he is on JJ/1010 or AK/AQ playing from the button, and the laggy player was raising evvverything, but once it got back around to him, and he reraised, and the loose player called, I was fairly certain I was behind.

I was just throwing out commentary and insight to my thought process when I play. I play a very tight cash game. I feel that if you aren't in control of the hand and the betting you are more often than not behind. Of course if you have a good read that you are ahead of your opponent(s), you should go with it.

[DrZebra]

The TAG is the button, not OOP.

You shouldn't have gotten to see his reraise to 30bb's because you shouldve already had all your chips in the middle. Easy push from BB when
1. 3 handed
2. they have you covered
3. raise, reraise, you
4. you have QQ

lol

[MasterLJ]

The TAG is the button, not OOP.

You shouldn't have gotten to see his reraise to 30bb's because you shouldve already had all your chips in the middle. Easy push from BB when
1. 3 handed
2. they have you covered
3. raise, reraise, you
4. you have QQ

lol

This is terrible advice. You are a coinflip to AK and very likely behind to an overpair. I can't think of many easier situations to lay down QQ unless the good doctor is advocating never putting them down.

[DrZebra]

Short handed no limit .25/.50

Both players have me covered with 100+ BB

TAG button open raises to 2.50, laggy SB reraises to 4.50, Hero picks up QQ and calls.

Button re-raises to 15
SB Calls
Hero folds?

read over this again....

assumptions: (.25/.5; 3-handed; you're the BB; you're the small stack (20-30 dollars against 50+))

button raises, SB reraises, easy push

no questions

**edit : when do you lay them down?
for example if button holds other two ladies, he should fold to your push

[krup24]

The TAG is the button, not OOP.

You shouldn't have gotten to see his reraise to 30bb's because you shouldve already had all your chips in the middle. Easy push from BB when
1. 3 handed
2. they have you covered
3. raise, reraise, you
4. you have QQ

lol

I agree w/ LJ this is horrible advice do you even play NL, and since TAG is in position i chuck this even faster to his reraise.

[Scott3705]

I agree this is a good fold LT. Question though, what were you doing with a uncoordiated 9 high flop?

[DrZebra]

I agree w/ LJ this is horrible advice do you even play NL, and since TAG is in position i chuck this even faster to his reraise.

I gotta play with you saps.
You're going to laydown queens in a 3-handed game shortstacked when the SB reraises to 9bb's.

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just so we're clear

i'm saying the mistake was calling the 4.50

once the button pushes you gotta lay it down, but you've lost your chance. Button could make this move for a number of reasons, the least of which being that the SB acts before you and you'll have to get off just about anything.

Button's range could be wide and you forfeited the opportunity to take an easy 7 bucks (which is big at these stakes.)

[krup24]

once the button pushes you gotta lay it down, but you've lost your chance. Button could make this move for a number of reasons, the least of which being that the SB acts before you and you'll have to get off just about anything.

Button's range could be wide and you forfeited the opportunity to take an easy 7 bucks (which is big at these stakes.)

Button is making this move cause he is strong and his range is not wide opening and reraising to $15 he has AA or KK 9 outta 10 and if he doesn't the SB does.

[DrZebra]

....and if he doesn't the SB does.

you gotta admit this was a dumb addition

[Dratj]

Depends on how big your stack is. If you have 100 BB also then smooth call. Your implied odds are there. hope to flop the set. Fold if you don't hit because villian likely has AA or KK.
The exception is that if villian is LAG or donkeyish then the possible holdings are greater, in which case, the hand becomes much more difficult to play.

[Scott3705]

I'm going to have to agree w/ Zebra.

If this is three handed (didn't catch that at first), how can you not reraise the LAG given the button may just be on a total blind steal. We're gonna take the flop OOP and we have no idea where the TAG is, because he may have been on a blind steal and found himself w/ a nice price to take a flop and no idea where the LAG is because, well... he's a LAG and will probably like to raise the TAG when he comes in every once in a while. More of a case could be made for smooth calling a LAG open raise or if the LAG folded. (2nd not as much).

Given the call, it's a good fold, but I think Zebra thinks the same thing.

[DrZebra]

I'm going to have to agree w/ Zebra.

If this is three handed (didn't catch that at first), how can you not reraise the LAG given the button may just be on a total blind steal. We're gonna take the flop OOP and we have no idea where the TAG is, because he may have been on a blind steal and found himself w/ a nice price to take a flop and no idea where the LAG is because, well... he's a LAG and will probably like to raise the TAG when he comes in every once in a while. More of a case could be made for smooth calling a LAG open raise or if the LAG folded. (2nd not as much).

Given the call, it's a good fold, but I think Zebra thinks the same thing.

indeed--the call was horrendous

[jjgoldy5]

Ok, so, bad call, good fold. Got it.


Makes sense.

TAG indeed had rockets

[Scott3705]

Ok, so, bad call, good fold. Got it.
Makes sense.

TAG indeed had rockets

Question I posed still stands, probably biased on results. What were you plannin on doing on a 9 high board?

[krup24]

Question I posed still stands, probably biased on results. What were you plannin on doing on a 9 high board?

He's pushing of course

[DrZebra]

He's pushing of course

But I thought we were all in agreement that there's no way he could have action on the flop....
either he pushes on his first action preflop OR (as is)
he calls and folds on his second action preflop