New To Limit, Ajo In The Big Blind

[socdave01 0]

playing .50/1 limit no reads on the other guyPreflopim dealt in the big blind2 folds, UTG+2 calls .50, 1 fold, salvador19 raises to 1, 3 folds, SB calls .75, socdave03 calls .50, UTG+2 calls .50flop SB checks, socdave03 bets .50, 1 fold, salvador19 raises to 1, SB folds, socdave03 calls .50After his raise, i really just wanted to see what he had, should I be wanting to get to showdown as cheaply as possible UI here?Turn socdave03 checks, salvador19 bets 1, socdave03 calls 1like I said, new to limit poker, is this correct? My thinking is just get to showdown cheaply right now, fearing salvador19 has a bigger aceRiver socdave03 checks, salvador19 checkshelp is appreciated

[antistuff 0]

This hand is super dependant on your opponent. Unless he is kinda loose with his preflop raises, I usually just fold. This might be a mistake, as I have been told I am a little too tight preflop. Well you called and now on the flop. You have three options.1) check/call2) bet/call3) checkraiseThis is hand what we call a way ahead/way behind hand. You either have the best hand and your oponent has almost no chance to improve, or he has the best hand and you have almost no chance to improve. The two have to be about equally likely. The goal is to get to showdown cheaply, without missing any value if your ahead. In posistion this is easy, just call if bet into and bet if checked into. Out of position it gets tricky. This is why I think you should just icheck/call the flop.I would check/call the turn too.On the river I am usualy just check calling. I think the amount of times he checks behind with a hand you beat that would have called a bet is small compared to the amount of times he calls or raises with a better hand. However, you can think about bet/calling or bet/folding here also depending on your opponent. woohooo cafinated and rambling. hope that helped.

[RISEorFall 0]

with no reads I'd fold this preflop. you're too easily dominated and drawing to 3 outs (3 As against a big pair or 3 J's against a bigger A)With a read that he raises more than big pairs and big A's, you could play this from BB, but I'd wait til you have more limit experience. like at .5/1 most preflop raisers are going to raise that flop when bet into whether they have an A or not.

I think the amount of times he checks behind with a hand you beat that would have called a bet is small compared to the amount of times he calls or raises with a better hand.

If you're gonna play WA/WB on this hand, you should bet the river. Something like KK or QQ or JJ will call confused as to what you check/called with and frustrated that their big pair probably lost. But they won't raise AK or AQ because of the dangerous board being double paired and fearing the full house.

[socdave01 0]

i had no reads on the oppontent, but the way the table was playing, players were raising with lesser hands, which is why i called preflop. I had seen people raising and reraising with hands like A10 and 44. Do you guys factor this into the equation (the flow of the table), or do you only look at what the specific player does?

[RISEorFall 0]

i had no reads on the oppontent, but the way the table was playing, players were raising with lesser hands, which is why i called preflop. I had seen people raising and reraising with hands like A10 and 44. Do you guys factor this into the equation (the flow of the table), or do you only look at what the specific player does?

it's much better to have specific reads. But if the table's playing loose, you can call with a wider range of hands.Even so, AJo is still pretty borderline. I'd call from BB with it, and probably c/r the flop. However if the table likes to call down with anything, even for 2 cold, go ahead and bet/call. The way things happened in the hand, I might bet the river because of the reasons i posted earlier, but check/call isn't too bad, either.

[socdave01 0]

after the flop the table actually plays quite tight, many times i would bet and everyone would fold getting like 7 to 1 to call. getting past the loose preflop call, what about the other streets?

[antistuff 0]

I completely missed that the board was double paired. Those little card things are so hard to read. If played the way I suggest, bet/calling that river is a must. Do you guys factor this into the equation (the flow of the table), or do you only look at what the specific player does?The flow of the table factors in more like if its loose passive with 4 or 5 players to every flop you can limp hands like 33 and 65s from upfront.Things like this hand your looking at the specific player.I had seen people raising and reraising with hands like A10 and 44Then you're probobly better off threebeting them, but be carefull you will spew bets like its nobodys buisness if you make mistakes. So rise...You checkraise the flop. He just calls. We bet every street now?He reraises, you fold turn UI right (or can you fold right there)?

[socdave01 0]

yeah after looking back at the hand, i feel like i played this way too scared. at the time i really thought i should have bet the river, but i didnt want to be spewing chips all over the place. The double paired board really doesnt bother me, since he wouldnt be raising with a 5 or 7. I was actually really surprised when he checked behind me on the river. He was betting so quickly on every street that the slowdown really surprised me. He ended up showing KK, and i took a very nice pot, but i do feel like i missed some bets.

[antistuff 0]

yeah after looking back at the hand, i feel like i played this way too scared. at the time i really thought i should have bet the river, but i didnt want to be spewing chips all over the place. The double paired board really doesnt bother me, since he wouldnt be raising with a 5 or 7. I was actually really surprised when he checked behind me on the river. He was betting so quickly on every street that the slowdown really surprised me. He ended up showing KK, and i took a very nice pot, but i do feel like i missed some bets.

Think of it this way, his most likely hand is Ax, which you tie with, so a bet doesnt hurt you here unless he has AA which isnt very often. But he will always check behind with KK, QQ, JJ, and such which he might call a bet with.

[socdave01 0]

If he has Ax, then we both have aces up, and i play my J kicker, so the only way we tie is if he also has AJ

[antistuff 0]

If he has Ax, then we both have aces up, and i play my J kicker, so the only way we tie is if he also has AJ

Wow I'm stupid.

[socdave01 0]

haha its ok, during the hand i had to think to myself whether or not the pairs on board somehow would cancel our kickers. Needless to say i was disappointed when i realized that AK would still beat me on this board lol

[Actuary 3]

don't fold preflop.Your line is ok

[bobbywithani 0]

Use the hand converter if you can, I'm too stupid to try to figure out pot size on my own. Anyway this is .25-.50, I definetly call pre-flop. The rest I would play as you did. I know others will disagree, but sometimes it pays off to play the calling station.

[Wingmaster05 0]

never...mind.

[RISEorFall 0]

don't fold preflop.Your line is ok

i knew you were gonna say that. do you fold this from the SB?

[Actuary 3]

i knew you were gonna say that. do you fold this from the SB?

in this situation, yeah.

[RISEorFall 0]

in this situation, yeah.

so what makes it a call from the BB but not from the SB? a half a small bet?

[Actuary 3]

so what makes it a call from the BB but not from the SB? a half a small bet?

we have 3 others inwe pay 1/2 SB lesswe are almost never getting raised behind usI think calling in SB is close

[RISEorFall 0]

we have 3 others inwe pay 1/2 SB lesswe are almost never getting raised behind usI think calling in SB is close

so I cant find it right now (I think it was before the forum changed again) but i posted a hand where I called a raise in the SB with AJo with like 3 or 4 already in and you said something about being an easy fold preflop.

[Actuary 3]

so I cant find it right now (I think it was before the forum changed again) but i posted a hand where I called a raise in the SB with AJo with like 3 or 4 already in and you said something about being an easy fold preflop.

yep.for you.:PEasy was an exaggeration.... maybe************ps..plus..most importantly: I'm no expert. Hell you know that. I post to get others to critique me. I want the real experienced players to tell me when I'm all wrong.

[Zach6668 513]

yep.for you.:PEasy was an exaggeration.... maybe************ps..plus..most importantly: I'm no expert. Hell you know that. I post to get others to critique me. I want the real experienced players to tell me when I'm all wrong.

AJo is a pretty easy fold from the SB.I'm less experienced than Actuary though...From the BB, I'll call depending on the raiser...

[RISEorFall 0]

plus..most importantly: I'm no expert. Hell you know that. I post to get others to critique me. I want the real experienced players to tell me when I'm all wrong.

yeah i know, that's why im tryin to get you to explain to me why its an easy call. i dont see how 1/2 of a small bet makes the decision that much easier.

AJo is a pretty easy fold from the SB.From the BB, I'll call depending on the raiser...

so if its an easy fold from SB, what does 1/2 a SB make it so much closer. i dont get it. show me the math or something.exactly why i said he should fold. we know nothing about the raiser, and the OP is new to limit, meaning he probably doesn't have a big edge post flop. I still vote fold preflop.

[Zach6668 513]

yeah i know, that's why im tryin to get you to explain to me why its an easy call. i dont see how 1/2 of a small bet makes the decision that much easier.

Position is key to my decision of whether or not to play this hand from either SB or BB...

[RISEorFall 0]

Position is key to my decision of whether or not to play this hand from either SB or BB...

um isnt it basically the same position? a bad one.