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#1 keith crime

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 08:32 AM

I'm amused and he is a sick talent but don't reward him for acting like a punk and making his team worse so he could go out and become the biggest gunner in history

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (keith crime @ Monday, April 17th, 2006, 8:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm amused and he is a sick talent but don't reward him for acting like a punk and making his team worse so he could go out and become the biggest gunner in history

if your team sucks be bernard king but if your team is good don't ruin it so you can then go out and be bernard king - know what i mean?


I dont see how Lebron doesnt get it this year. He really makes his team way better that what kobe does for LA.

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 11:34 AM

I'm a cavs fan, and I hate to say this, but Kobe is MVP. I agree with Keith, he made his team worse by wanting to be the man, but the voters won't take that in to consideration. He carried a sh*tty lakers team to the playoffs by himself, unfortunately by design. Best Basketball player on the planet, too bad he's an azzhole.

LeBron will win the award for the next 10 years anyway, Kobe can have one icon_dance.gif
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Posted 17 April 2006 - 01:24 PM

Yeah, he sure torched the Suns last night. Good effort by him, getting to the foul line on a whim whenever he wanted because the refs called a horrible game. (And it certainly helped that the Suns were missing 4/5 of their starting lineup.) But that's okay, we want to face the Lakers in the first round anyway.

Kobe for MVP? He's the best player on that team without a question, and one of the best players in the league, but he's not indispensible. You could replace him with a healthy Tracy McGrady and the Lakers would probably be in a similar position going into the playoffs as a low-end seed. It's not necessarily that he does anything particularly special -- he just has more opportunities (to the tune of 30+ shots a game) to show off his talent.

My vote's to Lebron. As much as I love Nash, his defense -- although improved -- is still horrific, and he was torched by a series of PGs (Billups, Kidd, Davis) in a row toward the end of the season, which is going to kill his chance of a repeat. Lebron has taken his play to a new level this season to offset the absence of Hughes, and the kid is still ridiculously young to be doing it.
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Posted 17 April 2006 - 02:22 PM

It's really close for MVP bewteen Kobe and LeBron. If either of the two won the award, I would be happy. I would personally vote for Kobe for MVP since he's a much better defensive player.

My top 5 for MVP would be:
1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Wade
4. Nash
5. Nowitzki

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Posted 17 April 2006 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (princeof56k @ Monday, April 17th, 2006, 3:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's really close for MVP bewteen Kobe and LeBron. If either of the two won the award, I would be happy. I would personally vote for Kobe for MVP since he actually plays defense.

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I would vote Kobe, Nowitzki, Lebron.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 06:29 AM

The true MVP is Elton Brand. The guy has been the rock the Clippers have leaned on all season to be where they are, a team to be dealt with in the playoffs. Something they have not been for long time.

Kobe's rebounds and assists are down from previous years... ballhogs shouldn't get MVP. LeBron is improved, but up until the last few weeks he was about the weakest 4th quarter preformer in the league. He might be over that hump now, but for body of work for the entire season Nash and Brand should be the top 2 names for MVP.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 07:19 AM

No way. It's Nash all the way...

He won it last year, and generally speaking, his numbers are better this year.
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 09:17 AM

MVP does not always equal best player or best scorer. I think you need to take into account the record of their team and who they have around them. I can't say that Kobe is the MVP on a team that barely made the playoffs.

In my mind names like Nash, Dirk, Duncan, Lebron and Billups come to mind before any others.

I like Kobe, but just because you can score basically score at will, doesn't make you the MVP...it just makes you the scoring champ

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 11:10 AM

Man the mvp vote is so tough this year. Serriously if I had to choose I think i would have to go with Kobe, espessially with the way the lakers have been playing this past couple weeks. I called nash getting it last year midway through the season, but i dont think he deserves it this year. People fail to realize how good of a season shawn marion has had this year and i believe he too has much of an impact on the team as nash does. Nash has no defensive talent either so he loses points for that too. With that said I can't really give the mvp to b-b-billups cause all those players on the team are too important. Personally it would have to be between kobe and lebron, either one of them win it i wouldnt be disapointed.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 12:03 PM

I don't know who is the MVP of the entire year.....but for the second half of the year, it's been Ron Artest. Laugh if you want...but Sacrament was dead before he got there, and now they are going to scare the Spurs in the 1st round, and I give them a 10% chance for the upset.

As for the entire year....I say Nash..but the Suns have been struggling a little bit recently.....so that might push Kobe or Lebron ahead.

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 06:19 PM

We all know the real MVP of the league is Gilbert Arenas. Especially now that we know he plays online poker at halftime to stay sharp.

KK, have you forgotten about Billups? I don't really like the guy, but him and Nash are definitely the co-front runners for MVP, followed by Kobe, Lebron, and Nowitzki. I think they'll give it to Billups this year because Nash got it the season before. Similar to Nash beating Shaq out last year because Shaq had been MVP before and no one thought Nash could duplicate his amazing season, so why not give it to the Canadian Kid.
And btw, Suns had best record in the league last year, Pistons this year. Who is the leader of each team? I see a trend for this MVP thingy.
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:01 PM

I like Billups, but he really isnt a MVP candidate. The list this year is really shorter than a lot of people realize (the list is always short). Sure a lot of guys are having great years and some are very important to their teams success, but the MVP award goes way farther than that.

I'm just picking on Billups, but someone asked just above and I've heard this discussed alot. Here's how I guage the MVP:

If you were given the chance to start a team that would exist only for one year and you had a choice of any player in the league for your foundation (judging solely on last season), who would you take?

When you think about it, that pretty much sums it up. I want a player thats a beast. Someone who's dominant on offense and defense. He rebounds, scores, shuts people down, teammates feed off him. He's basically all over the place and unstoppable. He's the leader of the team and refuses to lose. No matter who you have on you team, this guy won't let you lose. In the case you actually have talent on the team, this will be guy your team looks for to carry the them in crunch time. He can win with anyone whether it be guys from the local YMCA or the biggest group of head cases (so guys who didnt lead their teams to the playoffs are automatically out). He's going to have to be pratically indestructable, impervious to injury, and play major minutes (I cant win if he's not playing). Believe me, this guy would be VALUABLE. This player can do it ALL.

When you look at it in those terms, very few people fit the bill. I can think of 5 players I would easily take over Billups just off the top of my head. Therefore no MVP for him (and a lot of other guys as well).

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (princeof56k @ Tuesday, April 18th, 2006, 8:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like Billups, but he really isnt a MVP candidate. The list this year is really shorter than a lot of people realize (the list is always short). Sure a lot of guys are having great years and some are very important to their teams success, but the MVP award goes way farther than that.

I'm just picking on Billups, but someone asked just above and I've heard this discussed alot. Here's how I guage the MVP:

If you were given the chance to start a team that would exist only for one year and you had a choice of any player in the league for your foundation (judging solely on last season), who would you take?

When you think about it, that pretty much sums it up. I want a player thats a beast. Someone who's dominant on offense and defense. He rebounds, scores, shuts people down, teammates feed off him. He's basically all over the place and unstoppable. He's the leader of the team and refuses to lose. No matter who you have on you team, this guy won't let you lose. In the case you actually have talent on the team, this will be guy your team looks for to carry the them in crunch time. He can win with anyone whether it be guys from the local YMCA or the biggest group of head cases (so guys who didnt lead their teams to the playoffs are automatically out). He's going to have to be pratically indestructable, impervious to injury, and play major minutes (I cant win if he's not playing). Believe me, this guy would be VALUABLE. This player can do it ALL.

When you look at it in those terms, very few people fit the bill. I can think of 5 players I would easily take over Billups just off the top of my head. Therefore no MVP for him (and a lot of other guys as well).


I do like your definition of MVP much better, but the fact is this isn't what the NBA used to pick their MVP. All I'm saying is that even though Billups doesn't have nearly the talent of the other guys you're talking about, he still has a good shot to be elected MVP of the NBA because of how the voting works.
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (gilbertology @ Tuesday, April 18th, 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all know the real MVP of the league is Gilbert Arenas. Especially now that we know he plays online poker at halftime to stay sharp.

KK, have you forgotten about Billups? I don't really like the guy, but him and Nash are definitely the co-front runners for MVP, followed by Kobe, Lebron, and Nowitzki. I think they'll give it to Billups this year because Nash got it the season before. Similar to Nash beating Shaq out last year because Shaq had been MVP before and no one thought Nash could duplicate his amazing season, so why not give it to the Canadian Kid.
And btw, Suns had best record in the league last year, Pistons this year. Who is the leader of each team? I see a trend for this MVP thingy.


The difference here is that the Suns absolutely sucked the year before and missed the playoffs. They went from missing the playoffs to the best record in the L, which is incredibly remarkable. I can't really see Billups winning it, not to say he is undeserving, I think he is, but there are many other players who are probably more so.

Personally, I'm going with Steve Nash. A little hometown bias, but he simply makes that team go and without him, I don't think Phoenix is a playoff team. With him, they're one of the best teams in the L. He's made like 7 guys on that team have career years because of his presence(D'Antoni's coaching style too), he makes everybody on that team better and that's what the MVP award is supposed to be about.

My next pick would be Lebron, he's had an amazing yr and surprisingly hasn't received crazy press, probably because he plays in Cleveland. There's no way that team makes the playoffs without him and he's helped turn them into a good team pretty much single handedly.

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 08:05 PM

a team that has a starting point guard named "Smush" shouldn't make the playoffs.
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QUOTE (2paclives @ Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 8:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
a team that has a starting point guard named "Smush" shouldn't make the playoffs.



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Posted 19 April 2006 - 11:32 PM

I think Kobe deserves the MVP. I understand that he is selfish and shoots too much and doesn't make his team better. The issue is that Phil Jackson asks him to be selfish.

Why do you ask?

Well, have you watched the Lakers when Kobe does share the ball? Nobody can make a shot. It's really embarrassing to watch sometimes.

There really isn't a question that Kobe is the best player in the NBA. And by "best" I mean he's the guy that you would pick to be on your team if you were playing pickup and you could choose from all NBA players. He is the guy with the most determination and with a better killer instinct than I have ever seen in any NBA player.

The MVP is between Nash and Kobe. Please don't bring Lebron or Dirk in the picture. Kobe is a much better player than either. Nash is a different type of player.

It comes down to what your definition of MVP is. A guy who makes his team better, or a guy that can dominate anybody.

My vote goes to Kobe.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 04:50 AM

QUOTE (UncleKraut @ Thursday, April 20th, 2006, 2:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The MVP is between Nash and Kobe. Please don't bring Lebron or Dirk in the picture. Kobe is a much better player than either. Nash is a different type of player.


Uhh... what?

LeBron is pretty much the same player as Kobe but less selfish (and less clutch) and has his team in a better spot playoff wise, even more impressive when his backcourt mate was injured all year. Dirk lead the Mavericks once again in pretty much everything to one of thier best seasons ever after losing Nash and their 2nd leading scorer Finley. The lineup in Dallas keeps changing, and his preformace keeps that team moving forward.

Sorry, there are a lot of players you could put on the Lakers, have them take the number of shots Kobe does and have them put up 35 a game, they probably would do it with better rebounds and assists too. He didn't do anything special this year other than put up a bunch of points. Can you blame his teammates for missing shots? They only get to shoot once a quarter if they are lucky, kind of hard to stay warm when your not getting shots.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Jadaki @ Tuesday, April 18th, 2006, 7:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The true MVP is Elton Brand. The guy has been the rock the Clippers have leaned on all season to be where they are, a team to be dealt with in the playoffs. Something they have not been for long time.

Kobe's rebounds and assists are down from previous years... ballhogs shouldn't get MVP. LeBron is improved, but up until the last few weeks he was about the weakest 4th quarter preformer in the league. He might be over that hump now, but for body of work for the entire season Nash and Brand should be the top 2 names for MVP.



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