Solodell 0 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 This guy continues to amaze. 3 HRs today, including a walkoff. Truly building one of the great careers in baseball as long as he keeps doing what he's doing. I MIGHT be a tad bit biased, but he's still unreal! Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 This guy continues to amaze. 3 HRs today, including a walkoff. Truly building one of the great careers in baseball as long as he keeps doing what he's doing. I MIGHT be a tad bit biased, but he's still unreal!Biased or not, you speak the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I am on the other side of that rivalry and there wasn't a single thing that Solodell said that wasn't true. He is the best player in all of baseball. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I am on the other side of that rivalry and there wasn't a single thing that Solodell said that wasn't true. He is the best player in all of baseball.how would you rank him all-time from a historical perspective? Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 how would you rank him all-time from a historical perspective?I think it's still too early to tell...he's only 26 years old.That's pretty sad...I'm older than him. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 yeah he is damn good... if he keeps this up he is a sure hall of famer.. Link to post Share on other sites
Azreous 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Pujols is scary good. Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Big Papi is better Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Big Papi is betterI like that you're a Sox fan, but...um...try not to make us look too bad, huh? Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Big Papi is betterNot even close. Pujols is also a fairly good defensive player....and is AT LEAST as good of a hitter...but probably is a better hitter. Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Its the truthCan somebody tell me what Pujols did in the world series? Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Its the truthCan somebody tell me what Pujols did in the world series?Okay, by this logic, Derek Jeter is a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYbetter player than ANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYactive player in baseball today..you know, because of what he has done in the World Series in his career. Just because Ortiz had big hits during ONE postseason run doesn't make him better than Pujols. What did Ortiz do in the playoffs last year?? Why did he let his team get swept by the ChiSox?? Your logic is horrible. Ortiz is a great hitter, but is a DH. Pujols is a greater hitter, and is a good first basemen. Pujols > Ortiz....and it's really not all that close. Pujols is the best player in the game right at this very moment...overtaking Ichiro on my list...as he seems to be declining a bit and Pujols is clearly still getting better. Link to post Share on other sites
Azreous 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Its the truthCan somebody tell me what Pujols did in the world series?The exact same thing Ortiz did minus the 3-run HR in the first AB of the series. A handful of hits and 1 RBI.I feel to see how this proves your point whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Okay, by this logic, Derek Jeter is a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYbetter player than ANYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYactive player in baseball today..you know, because of what he has done in the World Series in his career. Just because Ortiz had big hits during ONE postseason run doesn't make him better than Pujols. What did Ortiz do in the playoffs last year?? Why did he let his team get swept by the ChiSox?? Your logic is horrible. Ortiz is a great hitter, but is a DH. Pujols is a greater hitter, and is a good first basemen. Pujols > Ortiz....and it's really not all that close. Pujols is the best player in the game right at this very moment...overtaking Ichiro on my list...as he seems to be declining a bit and Pujols is clearly still getting better.If they're even or even close to Ortiz in the regular season then the playoffs are the only thing to judge whos better. Pujols had an a terrible playoffs while Ortiz proved to be the most clutch hitter in baseball. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong on that?Ok answer this question, if the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th in a regular season or post season game, who would you rather have up at the plate....Ortiz or Pujols? Link to post Share on other sites
Azreous 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 If they're even or even close to Ortiz in the regular season then the playoffs are the only thing to judge whos better. Pujols had an a terrible playoffs while Ortiz proved to be the most clutch hitter in baseball. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong on that?Yes, I am.In the 2004 playoffs:Pujols: 24-58, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 9 BB, 6 SOOrtiz: 22-55, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 13 BB, 10 SOBoy, Ortiz sure crushed Pujols in playoff hitting.Look, I have nothing against Ortiz, but this bit about clutch hitting is ridiculous. And you seem to be forgetting a certain 1700-foot homerun off of Brad Lidge in the NLCS. Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Yes, I am.In the 2004 playoffs:Pujols: 24-58, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 9 BB, 6 SOOrtiz: 22-55, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 13 BB, 10 SOBoy, Ortiz sure crushed Pujols in playoff hitting.Look, I have nothing against Ortiz, but this bit about clutch hitting is ridiculous. And you seem to be forgetting a certain 1700-foot homerun off of Brad Lidge in the NLCS.Ortiz- walk off home run vs. angels walk off home run vs. yankees walk off single vs. yankees home run in 8th to put the game within one vs. yankees home run in world series vs. cardnalsPujols-walk off home run vs. astrosOkay this is getting kinda old, lets just have a poll and see what everybody thinks. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 If they're even or even close to Ortiz in the regular season then the playoffs are the only thing to judge whos better. Pujols had an a terrible playoffs while Ortiz proved to be the most clutch hitter in baseball. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong on that?Ok answer this question, if the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th in a regular season or post season game, who would you rather have up at the plate....Ortiz or Pujols?Their HITTING is close. Pujols plays good defense. Ortiz plays NO defense. Are you saying defense is no factor in baseball?? Surely not. Also, Pujols did NOT have a terrible playoffs......as otherwise noted. Ortiz was better in the clutch situations during that ONE playoff run. It takes a LOT more than that to be a better all-around player though. Where did Ortiz disappear to during last year's playoffs???Also, if the game was tied in the bottom of the ninth, I'd take Pujols with no hesitation. Link to post Share on other sites
Solodell 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 In 2004, I believe Pujols tied Beltran for the most HRs in a playoff series in that series they played. They were talking about his today on the radio (in STL), they've both played in 8 playoff series in their careers. BA is like .331 to .301 in favor of Pujols. OBP and Slugging both favor Pujols. Both are tremendous hitters, I'd say pretty close to equal, except that Pujols has actually done it for more years. Throw in the fact that Pujols plays good defense and stole 15+ bases last year puts him ahead. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Ortiz- walk off home run vs. angels walk off home run vs. yankees walk off single vs. yankees home run in 8th to put the game within one vs. yankees home run in world series vs. cardnalsPujols-walk off home run vs. astros damn that's funny...seriously, is that the best you can do?In the 2004 playoffs:Pujols: 24-58, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 9 BB, 6 SOOrtiz: 22-55, 5 HR, 19 RBI, 13 BB, 10 SOBoy, Ortiz sure crushed Pujols in playoff hitting.Look, I have nothing against Ortiz, but this bit about clutch hitting is ridiculous. And you seem to be forgetting a certain 1700-foot homerun off of Brad Lidge in the NLCS.^^^^^ Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 In 2004, I believe Pujols tied Beltran for the most HRs in a playoff series in that series they played. They were talking about his today on the radio (in STL), they've both played in 8 playoff series in their careers. BA is like .331 to .301 in favor of Pujols. OBP and Slugging both favor Pujols. Both are tremendous hitters, I'd say pretty close to equal, except that Pujols has actually done it for more years. Throw in the fact that Pujols plays good defense and stole 15+ bases last year puts him ahead.Look at the numbers I showed in the poll thread I created...it pretty much proves Pujols to be better in every single way than Ortiz..with the exception that Ortiz has more RBI's during the past two regular seasons. Even Pujols' postseason numbers are significantly better. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 A friend of mine ran into Pujols and his wife a few years ago in San Francisco.Even then, he thought that Pujols looked to be around 30.I've never seen him up close but is he really just 26? If that is his true age, then as long as he stays healthy, the Hall of Fame awaits. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 A friend of mine ran into Pujols and his wife a few years ago in San Francisco.Even then, he thought that Pujols looked to be around 30.I've never seen him up close but is he really just 26? If that is his true age, then as long as he stays healthy, the Hall of Fame awaits.From what I hear...there is really no clue as to exactly how old he is...but he is almost assuredly older than what he is listed....I'd say probably 28 or 29...but regardless....he'll be a great hitter for a LONG time..even if he has to eventually be a DH in the AL. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 A friend of mine ran into Pujols and his wife a few years ago in San Francisco.Even then, he thought that Pujols looked to be around 30.I've never seen him up close but is he really just 26? If that is his true age, then as long as he stays healthy, the Hall of Fame awaits.His profile on MLB.com says he's 26. I can't remember the guy's name, but I talked with someone that played HS and JC ball with Pujols in the Kansas City area and he verified his age. I'm not sure if Pujols has his Ameican citizenship yet, but if he does I would say that he can't have falsified documents. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Ortiz doesn't even play defense.. Pujols offense kills Ortiz anyway... Without Ortiz in Boston his numbers are down. Also, I usually see Ortiz hit a HR or go 0-3.. Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 Ortiz doesn't even play defense.. Pujols offense kills Ortiz anyway... Without Ortiz in Boston his numbers are down. Also, I usually see Ortiz hit a HR or go 0-3..Since he only went 0-3 16 times last year, I guess he hit a home run in the other 143 games he played. Ortiz is not that much of a liability at first. Below league average, but far from terrible. I'd take a drunk Ortiz over Giambi. Let's not turn this into an Ortiz sucks thread. Let's turn the attention back to the incredible Pujols. Link to post Share on other sites
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