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[screech]

3-handed. SB is 26/10/3.6.

I'm on the button with T 9

Preflop
I raise, SB 3-bets, BB folds, I call

Flop: (7sb) [ Q J K ]
SB bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call

Turn: (6.5bb) [ 4 ]
SB bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call

River: (12.5bb) [ 2 ]
SB bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call

[pokerplayer24]

Hmm yea this one kind of makes sense.

Basically pulled the same move on the flop and turn so you could get a raise in on the next street.

I think overall it looks good but i'm capping the river. So far your hand looks a lot more like a 2 pair then 109. Once he 3-bets the river it really seems like his hand range would be KK-JJ, KQ, A10


Ahead

KK 3 combos
QQ 3 combos
JJ 3 combos
KQ 9 combos

Behind

A10 12 combos.

I think my combos are right, right?

[screech]

Hmm yea this one kind of makes sense.

Basically pulled the same move on the flop and turn so you could get a raise in on the next street.

I think overall it looks good but i'm capping the river. So far your hand looks a lot more like a 2 pair then 109. Once he 3-bets the river it really seems like his hand range would be KK-JJ, KQ, A10
Ahead

KK 3 combos
QQ 3 combos
JJ 3 combos
KQ 9 combos

Behind

A10 12 combos.

I think my combos are right, right?

Yeah, they're right.

I should have also noted that the game was only 3-handed for this round. 2 players just sat out.

I think the KQ combos have to be discounted.

[Bubba83]

Yeah, they're right.

I should have also noted that the game was only 3-handed for this round. 2 players just sat out.

I think the KQ combos have to be discounted.

If you discount the KQ combos because of his 3-bet preflop, then shouldn't you also discount the A10 combos by the same reasoning?

[Garn]

why would you not cap atleast the river?

[screech]

If you discount the KQ combos because of his 3-bet preflop, then shouldn't you also discount the A10 combos by the same reasoning?

I discount KQ because of the river 3-bet. Not pf.

In the actual hand, I did cap the river. I lost to AT. I decided to post it here ot see if a river call would have been bad. Turns out it would have been.

I think KQ combos should be discounted to around 5 instead of 9. I also think I have to give a KJs and QJs some credit here, or maybe even a horribly played AK. Give them 2 combos total. That brings the total ahead to 16, and behind 12. It's definetly a value cap.

[Abbaddabba]

I think not capping the turn is bad.

[screech]

I think not capping the turn is bad.

I think giving your opinion without giving an explanation is bad.

When he 3-bets the turn, his range is pretty narrow. Not capping disguises the strength of my hand, and lets me off the hook easy if the board pairs the river. I really don't see any beneift to capping the turn. Maybe you can convince me otherwise.

[Abbaddabba]

Because there are a ton of cards that will have him check/calling the river if he has a two pair / set-esque hand. Any 9, any 10, any A, maybe a spade, and also if the board pairs and counterfits his two pair. Nearly half the deck. If the board pairs and he doesnt fill up but still bets, you arent raising - so you still miss out on one bet.

If the river is a complete blank, there's a good chance that he bets the river after you cap anyways.



You save a bet when he fills up. You usually miss out on a bet when he doesnt.
There are far more instances of the latter than the former.

[screech]

Because there are a ton of cards that will have him check/calling the river if he has a two pair / set-esque hand. Any 9, any 10, any A, maybe a spade, and also if the board pairs and counterfits his two pair. Nearly half the deck. If the board pairs and he doesnt fill up but still bets, you arent raising - so you still miss out on one bet.

If the river is a complete blank, there's a good chance that he bets the river after you cap anyways.
You save a bet when he fills up. You usually miss out on a bet when he doesnt.
There are far more instances of the latter than the former.

What 2 pair is getting counterfeited here? KJs/QJs, but that only makes up like 5% of his range and only gets counterfeited less than 10% of the time. Besides, if one of those counterfeiting cards does hit the river, I will be happy that I never capped since I'm now way behind to his range.

I also think that if I cap the turn, it will slow down his set/2 pair hands on the river. He may bet, but he won't 3-bet.

With regards to a scare card hitting, that only happens about 20% of the time, so it isn't too much to worry about - especially since I'm only ahead here like 2/3's of the time anyway. When I can pin donw his range so narrowly, I think it is better to wait for the river card, since it will allow me ot play more optimally against him.

[KDawgCometh]

screech, I think not fastplaying this flop is wrong. I'm capping the flop here like all the time and then raising the turn, if/when the turn gets three bet, I will slow down. I would feel that given the action that I would've just put in on the flop and turn that anything more then putting in 4 bets on the big streets is a bit of a spew as he is flat out telling you that he generally has a bigger hand then you. If he is to make a three bet with just a set or two pair on the turn after us capping and raising the turn then that is just something that I make note of for when I get another strong hand against him and value raise the crap out of him later

[screech]

screech, I think not fastplaying this flop is wrong. I'm capping the flop here like all the time and then raising the turn, if/when the turn gets three bet, I will slow down. I would feel that given the action that I would've just put in on the flop and turn that anything more then putting in 4 bets on the big streets is a bit of a spew as he is flat out telling you that he generally has a bigger hand then you. If he is to make a three bet with just a set or two pair on the turn after us capping and raising the turn then that is just something that I make note of for when I get another strong hand against him and value raise the crap out of him later

I think you're right. SB is aggressive and likely hit this board in a big way. Capping the flop would have been best.