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[TheCinciKid]

Feel free to point out all of my mistakes. I think I made quite a few.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, J.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3, Q, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, Button raises, SB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB

[mrdannyg]

Feel free to point out all of my mistakes. I think I made quite a few.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T, J.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3, Q, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, Button raises, SB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB

i don't know about "many" mistakes.

preflop seems standard.
turn - you have nothing except backdoor draws, and with so many people, unlike you can take it down. check is fine.
call is a bit light, but your high cards are probably live, and backdoors good.

read-dependent, a raise might take it down on the turn. opponents might put you on very strong because of the previous play. that is pretty tricky, and it seems like you can probably see it for one bet, so a call is not bad.

river gets checked through too easily, just bet it. he'll probably put you on a naked ace, and definitely won't put you on the flush. you may get raised.

[greatwhite]

Fold the flop. You don't have anything, but backdoor draws.

[screech]

Looks fine to me. The only thing I might do differently is call pf..

[PoppinFresh]

I fold the flop

Whiffed c/r on the river there I'm assuming?

[screech]

I fold the flop

Whiffed c/r on the river there I'm assuming?

3 clean outs getting 13:1!

I think the T/J pay off outs cancel out the times that you are ahead with T/J. Then again, I am terrible at weighing these risk/reward scenarios.

[greatwhite]

With 5 limpers, do you guys really think JT will be the best hand 1/14 times here? Someone is bound to have a queen or slowplaying a set. Plus if you hit a J or T you have to worry about an ace or king occuring on the river. This is a clear fold on the flop. I don't see how everyone is seeing it differently. You hit a backdoor this time, but these don't happen that often.

[mrdannyg]

With 5 limpers, do you guys really think JT will be the best hand 1/14 times here? Someone is bound to have a queen or slowplaying a set. Plus if you hit a J or T you have to worry about an ace or king occuring on the river. This is a clear fold on the flop. I don't see how everyone is seeing it differently. You hit a backdoor this time, but these don't happen that often.

i believe the combined odds of backdoor flush and straight are something like 15:1, so he is close there. his backdoor outs are pretty clean too, unless someone sticks around with a higher flush draw.

they all checked to the button, who bet - a T or J could easily win us the pot.

i still think its a fold on this flop, but it isn't far from a call.

[greatwhite]

i believe the combined odds of backdoor flush and straight are something like 15:1, so he is close there. his backdoor outs are pretty clean too, unless someone sticks around with a higher flush draw.

they all checked to the button, who bet - a T or J could easily win us the pot.

i still think its a fold on this flop, but it isn't far from a call.

Hmmm...backdoor draws are 15-1? That seems very high, but I don't know.

[Garn]

same advice here. fold the flop and lead out on the river

[greatwhite]

I would lead out on this river. If it were not an A or K I would have used the check-raise against most players.

[screech]

Hmmm...backdoor draws are 15-1? That seems very high, but I don't know.

The 2 backdoor outs are worth 2.5 outs.

It's very close. Especially considering taht since the bet came from the button, we may be good if we pair on eof our hole cards.

[TheCinciKid]

I appreciate all the feedback. I do think that my flop peel was very marginal and I may have been better off folding.

As it turns out, my planned check/raise on the river failed and it's a good thing it did. My backdoor outs weren't clean as the villain ended up showing down Qh9h for a better flush. I think this is something to consider when thinking about peeling with not much more than backdoor outs. It's one thing if your backdoor draw is to the nuts, it's quite another if it's not.

[mrdannyg]

I appreciate all the feedback. I do think that my flop peel was very marginal and I may have been better off folding.

As it turns out, my planned check/raise on the river failed and it's a good thing it did. My backdoor outs weren't clean as the villain ended up showing down Qh9h for a better flush. I think this is something to consider when thinking about peeling with not much more than backdoor outs. It's one thing if your backdoor draw is to the nuts, it's quite another if it's not.

he checked behind on the river with the second highest flush?