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[Wily]

.5/1 Limit HE online - passive/loose game - on the button - you're dealt A 4 . One limper, you call, SB calls, BB raises, rest call. Flop comes 3 Q K ; all three check to you, you bet, all three call. Turn is 4 . All check to you, you bet, two callers. River is J ; two check to you again. Does your style allow you to make that final bluffing bet to try to take the pot down, giving that a lot of draws could've hit with that board, or do you check through to minimize losses? By the way, there's $9.75 in the pot.When this came up when I was playing today, I made that last bet and both folded, which I was a bit surprised by. Second pair, lower pp, or another flush draw are probably what they had. I think, though, that this bet would win the pot more than 1 in 9 times, so I'd make it. Any thoughts on it?

[Smasharoo]

Check the turn, check the river.Why are you betting the turn there?

[JaysonWeber]

Take the free cards here... If they're checking to you, that tells me they are on draws as well. odds are when you fill up they might hit there pair or fill up to a lower flush. Betting For value is incorrect with that amount of money in the pot, your not going to "buy the pot" off of 4 people.

[Smasharoo]

I think, though, that this bet would win the pot more than 1 in 9 times, so I'd make it.Against two callers this far I seriously doubt if your fold equity is even that high.I think you very likely folded tow hands you're beating, possibly two other flush draws.

[Smasharoo]

Betting For value is incorrect with that amount of money in the pot, your not going to "buy the pot" off of 4 people.Betting the flop is fine, assuming you don't bet the turn when you miss.

[JaysonWeber]

Smasharoo said:

Betting For value is incorrect with that amount of money in the pot, your not going to "buy the pot" off of 4 people.Betting the flop is fine, assuming you don't bet the turn when you miss.

I thought about that after I posted it, Betting the flop is actually the correct move, You can hit it 35% so you're betting for value, AND if you miss the players may check to the raiser, aggression pays off. Didn't you say that yesterday after raising UTG with 8-7 os Smash? LoL.But yes, bet the flop, call any re-raises, and when they check to you after missing the turn (hitting the 4 is a miss here, sure it gives you a few more outs... but its not the winning hand right now). Check this, you get to see a free card, why bet out here with that amount of money in the pot?It's not the right move, you check on 4th, happy that you played the hand correctly to this point and checking for the free heart on the river.

[Wily]

JaysonWeber said:

Smasharoo said:

Betting For value is incorrect with that amount of money in the pot, your not going to "buy the pot" off of 4 people.Betting the flop is fine, assuming you don't bet the turn when you miss.

I thought about that after I posted it, Betting the flop is actually the correct move, You can hit it 35% so you're betting for value, AND if you miss the players may check to the raiser, aggression pays off. Didn't you say that yesterday after raising UTG with 8-7 os Smash? LoL.But yes, bet the flop, call any re-raises, and when they check to you after missing the turn (hitting the 4 is a miss here, sure it gives you a few more outs... but its not the winning hand right now). Check this, you get to see a free card, why bet out here with that amount of money in the pot?It's not the right move, you check on 4th, happy that you played the hand correctly to this point and checking for the free heart on the river.

OK, so I agree that betting the turn was not the correct move. But say I checked the turn, and all three check to me on the river. Should I bet then or just let it go? Actually, I'm going to answer my own question by saying no in that situation, since I didn't show strength on the turn. But in my situation on the river, after not checking the turn, should I have gone for the bet on the river?

[avsfan]

Wily- But in my situation on the river, after not checking the turn, should I have gone for the bet on the river?Status quo says No.

[Markmadness]

the purpose of the flop bet is to buy you a free card on the turn where its more expensive. If you miss. you get a free river .

[Smasharoo]

But in my situation on the river, after not checking the turn, should I have gone for the bet on the river?No, because most of the time you win the hand by checking if you're going to win the hand.What are you folding here that beats you?

[Wily]

Smasharoo said:

But in my situation on the river, after not checking the turn, should I have gone for the bet on the river?No, because most of the time you win the hand by checking if you're going to win the hand.What are you folding here that beats you?

The table was QUITE loose and weak - pair of Q's looking for two pair was likely, or it was likely that BB (who raised) had a low pocket pair that still beat 4's.