Suited_Up 2 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Tell me what you would do up to this point in the hand... 2nd half is coming later.***** Hand History for Game 1684471374 *****$25 NL Hold'em - Friday, March 04, 16:52:23 EDT 2005Table Table 36917 (Real Money)Seat 2 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 1: J_P_O_L ( $22.55 )Seat 4: digthisd ( $30.05 )Seat 6: plotskins ( $17.4 )Seat 8: bordprice ( $27.8 )Seat 9: AimeeKRay ( $9.2 )Seat 7: Suited__Up ( $35.75 )Seat 10: kashei ( $37.3 )Seat 5: wu1chef ( $21.5 )Seat 2: joeflip ( $11.75 )Seat 3: i_dabble420 ( $25 )digthisd posts small blind [$0.1].wu1chef posts big blind [$0.25].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to Suited__Up [ Kc Js ]plotskins raises [$0.5].Suited__Up calls [$0.5].bordprice folds.AimeeKRay folds.kashei folds.J_P_O_L folds.joeflip folds.digthisd folds.wu1chef calls [$0.25].** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Ks, 5h ]wu1chef checks.plotskins bets [$4].That's all for now... tell me your next move. Make sure to go through play by play, look at the bets and everything... What's it look like he has, and what would you do here?I'll post the other half after a couple responses. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest XXEddie Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 its very likely he has AA, KK, or AK, so I fold Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 its very likely he has AA, KK, or AK, so I foldNo, look closer. He raised the minimum preflop.Bet $4 into a pot of 1.50 Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 No, look closer.He raised the minimum preflop.Bet $4 into a pot of 1.50How would that make it any less likely you're beat here?Why would you even pnder calling in a pot this small. NL is about winning big pots when you have a massive edge, not fighting for tiny pots when it's unlikely that you're ahead.Easy fold. Link to post Share on other sites
the_stein 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 he has qq doesn't he Link to post Share on other sites
sloshr 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Why did you cold call a raise from EP with KJo? I assume I forgot to muck my cards preflop, so I make up for that by doing it now. Is next part "you call turn card is a 2 and he goes all-in"? Good example of why you don't play this trash in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Why did you cold call a raise from EP with KJo? I assume I forgot to muck my cards preflop, so I make up for that by doing it now.Hi, it's a min raise in NL.The call is fine. Folding this pre-flop is beyond silly. Link to post Share on other sites
sloshr 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 KJ is not a good hand. It is an even worse hand in EP. Much worse when someone is showing strength. Too many ways to be dominated here. The min raise UTG probably means the raiser is a bad player that doesnt know how to protect a hand, not a lack of strength. Are you calling this to flop 2 pair? Implied odds are not there for that.Smash, normally I agree with you, bet not here. Unless by "beyond silly" you mean a good play. I save my money for the next hand, no expense here. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Implied odds are not there for thatWhy would you be plaiyng to flop two pair?Getting 35 to 1 implied odds, I'm obviously calling here. Everyone should be calling here unless they're just terrible post flop and use pre-flop tightness as a crutch to compensate for poor post flop play costing them money....Not saying that's you, just saying that most people who don't understand NL is a game that's playe *much* more losely pre-flop than limit when played well are missing some fundemental concepts of the game. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 Implied odds are not there for thatWhy would you be plaiyng to flop two pair?Getting 35 to 1 implied odds, I'm obviously calling here. Everyone should be calling here unless they're just terrible post flop and use pre-flop tightness as a crutch to compensate for poor post flop play costing them money....Not saying that's you, just saying that most people who don't understand NL is a game that's playe *much* more losely pre-flop than limit when played well are missing some fundemental concepts of the game.Thank you... I really didn't even want to bother arguing the preflop call. It's a min raise... I will call almost anything to that in NL. Who cares what it is, if I hit the flop right, I will bust people.As for the results... Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 I don't feel like searching for the HH, so I'll just tell you what happened.Here's my thinking. He raised the min preflop... Doesn't scream monster to me... so I don't believe he has AK, plus.... even more so... He bet over 2x the pot. Someone with AK just wouldn't do that... same if they have an overpair or a set for sure. People just don't do that. I was pretty sure he either had 2 spades or nothing, and wanted to buy this pot right now.After his $4 bet, he had 8 left... So I came over the top and put him all in. I was actually expecting him to fold. He called, and turned over AQspades.... No more spades came and I won a big pot.I'm sure everyone will tell me I made a bad move and should have folded, which is fine, you can have your opinion, but if you don't think that bet was strange, then you're crazy. I took a chance on this one and it worked out. So say what you will. Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 well now i know the answer and i thought he was on a spade draw was not sure of the the exact hand but i notice alot of people over bet pots when they have a flush draw. But he was all in with this hand regardless. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 well now i know the answer and i thought he was on a spade draw was not sure of the the exact hand but i notice alot of people over bet pots when they have a flush draw. But he was all in with this hand regardless.I notice the same thing. And I know it sounds crazy, but AQ spades is honestly the hand I first thought of. I didn't make the decision based on that as much as the overbet, but I really thought flush draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 I'm sure everyone will tell me I made a bad move and should have foldedThis is correct.Mainly because you did and got lucky.Don't confuse that with it being the right play. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 5, 2005 Author Share Posted March 5, 2005 I'm sure everyone will tell me I made a bad move and should have foldedThis is correct.Mainly because you did and got lucky.Don't confuse that with it being the right play.I'm not saying it will always be right... but I really thought this time it was. If you're talking from a math, theory standpoint, it may be wrong. But if you're playing the player, it was right this time to me. Link to post Share on other sites
JETMECMAN 0 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 He nailed the A, 5 and over bet fold in order to get it back later. Link to post Share on other sites
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