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#1 strategy

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 08:29 AM

If you missed out on the last few: Part I, Part II, Part III, and Part IV.It's four-handed and I'm trying to run the table. I've been largely unsuccessful with this, as ferrari continues to re-raise me.-----#1PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (4 handed)SB (seaanchor) (t36384)strategy (t140881)UTG (ferraricoup) (t51384)Button (t41351)Preflop: strategy is BB with 3h, 9c. 2 folds, SB (seaanchor) completes, strategy raises to t36150, SB (seaanchor) folds.Final Pot: t38100lol. Seaanchor is a very good player on Stars (check his DB), but I didn't know that at the time.-----#2: Ferrari just eliminated seaanchor.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t4000 (3 handed)strategy (t155331)Button (ferraricoup) (t62268)SB (t52401)Preflop: strategy is BB with As, 7s. Button (ferraricoup) raises to t12200, 1 fold, strategy raises to t72200, Button (ferraricoup) folds.Final Pot: t84600Tired of him raising and re-raising me. A7s is not the best hand to be doin' this with, but eh.-----#3: Blinds are now 2000/4000strategy (t180531)Button (ferraricoup) (t43668)SB (t45801)Preflop: strategy is BB with As, 8c. 1 fold, SB raises to t16000, strategy raises to t76000, SB calls t29601 (All-In).Flop: (t121801) 4d, 6c, Kc (2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t121801) Td (2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t121801) 7c (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t121801strategy has As 8c (high card, ace). SB has 6d 6h (three of a kind, sixes). Outcome: SB wins t91402. strategy wins t30399. -----#4strategy (t139130)SB (ferraricoup) (t39268)BB (t91602)Preflop: strategy is Button with 6h, Qh. strategy raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.Flop: (t20400) 3s, Js, 3h (2 players)BB bets t79402 (All-In), strategy folds.Final Pot: t99802No decision here, but it explains the 12k I am missing from my stack.-----#5strategy (t129330)BB (ferraricoup) (t36868)Button (t103802)Preflop: strategy is SB with 3h, 7h. 1 fold, strategy raises to t44000, BB (ferraricoup) calls t32668 (All-In).Flop: (t77068) 9s, 4s, Tc (2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t77068) 8d (2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t77068) Kd (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t77068strategy has 3h 7h (high card, king). ferraricoup has Ac 8s (one pair, eights). Outcome: ferraricoup wins t65936. strategy wins t11132. -----#6strategy (t92462)SB (ferraricoup) (t73936)BB (t103602)Preflop: strategy is Button with Js, Qd. strategy raises to t12000, 1 fold, BB calls t8000.Flop: (t20400) Tc, 6d, 4c (2 players)BB checks, strategy bets t16000, BB folds.Final Pot: t36400-----#7strategy (t102662)BB (ferraricoup) (t78136)Button (t89202)Preflop: strategy is SB with Jh, Kh. Button raises to t12000, strategy calls t10000, 1 fold.Flop: (t22400) Kc, Th, 5h (2 players)strategy checks, Button bets t20000, strategy raises to t90462, Button folds.Final Pot: t132862-----#8strategy (t145662)SB (ferraricoup) (t67936)BB (t56402)Preflop: strategy is Button with 7s, Ac. strategy raises to t60000, 1 fold, BB calls t52202 (All-In).Flop: (t112602) Ks, Td, 8c (2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t112602) Qd (2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t112602) 8s (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t112602-----#9strategy (t89260)Button (ferraricoup) (t55736)SB (t125004)Preflop: strategy is BB with Ts, 3c. 1 fold, SB completes, strategy checks.Flop: (t6400) 9h, Th, 6s (2 players)SB checks, strategy checks.Turn: (t6400) Jc (2 players)SB bets t8000, strategy calls t8000.River: (t22400) 8d (2 players)SB bets t12000, strategy calls t12000.Final Pot: t46400Villain shows Q7. Why am I slowplaying top pair, 3 kicker?-----#10strategy (t65060)BB (ferraricoup) (t53536)Button (t151404)Preflop: strategy is SB with 4s, 2d. 1 fold, strategy raises to t64860, BB (ferraricoup) calls t49336 (All-In).Flop: (t114596) 3c, Qs, Kd (2 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t114596) 6h (2 players, 1 all-in)River: (t114596) 3h (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t114596strategy has 4s 2d (one pair, threes). ferraricoup has Ah Jh (one pair, threes). I had been re-raised enough times to know that he would certainly come back at me if I raised standard 3xbb. Yeah, I could have waited, but I'm not going to walk him when there's almost a $300 difference between 2nd and 3rd. He did take a few seconds to call me, believe it or not.-----I have 15k left at this point. To be continued...Edit - A snippet from IM:(12:21:34) strategy: I honestly can't see someone like copernicus making a series like this(12:21:50) Bizzle: itd be hard to post all the folds he makes
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 08:33 AM

1- Stop raising weird amounts damnit.2-10-You know better than to ask for my advice.EDIT: Alright, actual advice from a shorthanded donk2-Shrug, you snapped him off. I see nothing wrong.3-I don't like the reraise with zero FE...so I am not sure what I would do here.4-snicker.5-Shakes head.6-Best play of the thread so far. Pleased to see that you continued firing even though you were getting the crap kicked out of you.7-I would prefer a minraise here as opposed to the jam. Maybe even a flat call. 3 handed, this is a monster...get him to commit as many chips as possible in this hand.8-15 BB raises with A7 are never a good idea. I know you are tired of getting snapped off and all...but this is just not a good way to go.9-Yes. Why are you? They all think you are full of crap, so don't start slowplaying when you have a hand.10-Fold preflop?Yeah all of these pretty much confirm the opinion that I had that you are insane. Awesome.:loves these posts face, wishes more people would get involved:
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:18 AM

H1. Fine - although you have to be wary of the limp/trap since other players probably have you pegged as a maniacH2.-H4. FineH5. I just complete here with two crummy suited cards - hate the pushH6.-H7. FineH8. Blinds still at 1500/300 right? I hate the push preflop then; you're only getting called by a hand that dominates youH9. Bet Flop; you have TP but your hand is vulnerable.H10. I'm having heartburn here...Can I dub thee "Wild Man" on our Heads Up Team?
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:25 AM

View Postgobears, on Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 9:18 AM, said:

H8. Blinds still at 1500/300 right? I hate the push preflop then; you're only getting called by a hand that dominates you
Crap. Blinds changed to 2000/4000 on the 3rd hand. I apologize for the mistake.

View Postgobears, on Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 9:18 AM, said:

Can I dub thee "Wild Man" on our Heads Up Team?
I'm surprised you aren't just refunding my $100 and revoking my membership.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:33 AM

View Poststrategy, on Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 10:25 AM, said:

I'm surprised you aren't just refunding my $100 and revoking my membership.
No way...this will be "Must see TV" when your matches are scheduled - I'll be pulling up a chair :club:
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 10:23 AM

Posting blind. Hand 1 (93o): I'm moving in with every hand that's a favorite over a random hand, so [T9o+, J8o+, Q5o+, Kx, Ax, 98s+, T7s+, J6s+, Q2s+, 22+]. At this stage of the tourney, losing t38k hurts you much more than gaining those few chips in the blinds and antes benefits you in terms of prize EV. 93o doesn't quite make the cut. I'll take a flop and see what happens from there. Hand 2 (A7s): One of those borderline hands...you're probably very close to 50/50 vs. his range; you'd ideally want to be holding A9+, but it's close enough and sooooted. In the moment, I probably do the same. Hand 3 (A8o): Again, I'd prefer to have A9+, especially because it's pretty clear villain is committed to calling. With little to no FE, the play becomes less profitable than the previous hand. You aren't really the aggressor here. Hand 4 (Q6s): Fine Hand 5 (37s): Similar to Hand 1, I'm moving him in with every hand that's a favorite over a random, and I'll complete with the rest. If he moves in and you have to fold, it is not a disaster in any way. Doubling him up is. Hand 6 (QJo): Looks good Hand 7 (KJs): An unbelievably great flop for you. I think you played it far too aggressively on the flop. Yes, you've been playing a little maniacally and you're trying to take advantage of your image, but the c/r all-in lets him off too easily! Just leading out would be more in character for you. He isn't committed to the pot yet, so he has a pretty easy fold unless he has AA, a good K, or a set. If you just c/c the flop bet, he might make a desperate bluff on the turn. I like slowplaying or leading out much more than c/r-ing all in. Hand 8 (A7o): A standard raise lets one of them come over the top of you too easily but they know you're crazy, so they have to expect you'll call. I still don't mind this so much because they're put to a really tough decision even with good hands. Can't see what he had, but too bad he picked up a hand. I think you get two folds often enough to make this profitable. Hand 9 (T3o): Now you slowplay??? Take advantage of that image now. You have position, any flop bet from you looks like a cheap steal attempt. Hand 10 (24o): Giving him a walk is much better than donking off t60k!!!! Due to your image, he'll call with a much wider range than normal. This is when you should be thinking about changing gears and making this play with only REAL hands because you'll probably get a call.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 10:34 AM

My $0.01...1. Easy there tiger, your chip lead isn't that monstrous. This is a theme we'll be getting back to.2. Stick with traditional amounts. You pop it to $38k and you risk far less and probably achieve the exact same result. Or he pushes and you save a pretty penny. These wild over-the-top moves worked here but as we see in a sec, get you into serious trouble later.3. He's only left himself $30k, he's calling this no matter what. If you're willing to gamble then fine but it seems like re-raising here with A8o would be for its fold equity of which you have none. Luckily it was a race situation just unfortunate it didn't go your way.4. Standard.5. Wtf? Why not just do a standard raise? When he comes over the top you can let it go. I just feel like you blew 30% of your stack unnecessarily.6. Standard.7. No re-raise PF? Don't mind the smooth call though but since you'll be OOP post-flop it might be good to just take it down PF. Why'd you check-raise so much? For the first time in this thread you have a real hand.8. I just don't understand. I think you're getting over-eager. You're still 3-handed, A7o isn't exactly a major powerhouse. Make normal raises and out-play them on the flop or shut down to resistance. I didn't see results, but if he's got 99 here (for example) he's probably giving it up by the turn. 9. They all know you're playing some shitty cards but I still wouldn't let them limp. Him calling with Q7 here is a big mistake. You've got position on the SB, raise and make him pay to see flops. In this case you would've flopped TP. Which makes me wonder with you, why are you slowplaying a very vulnerable TP?10. You have an M around 10 and you're pushing with 42o... this is beyond me. You're slowplaying (sort of) your actual hands and instantly jamming with your crap. Ok I agree -- play for 1st, play for the win. Be bold, be aggressive. But come on, just let it go. With the hands you've shown down I have no idea why AJs isn't an insta-call here for him.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 12:34 PM

2. Stick with traditional amounts. You pop it to $38k and you risk far less and probably achieve the exact same result. Or he pushes and you save a pretty penny. These wild over-the-top moves worked here but as we see in a sec, get you into serious trouble later.I disagree. If I raise to 38k, I am not folding to a re-raise. To quote Paul Phillips, it's a nightmare to sink that many chips into a pot and not get a showdown.5. Wtf? Why not just do a standard raise? When he comes over the top you can let it go. I just feel like you blew 30% of your stack unnecessarily.I've repeated this many times throughout the series: folding is probably the best option in most of these situations.7. No re-raise PF? Don't mind the smooth call though but since you'll be OOP post-flop it might be good to just take it down PF. Why'd you check-raise so much? For the first time in this thread you have a real hand.A re-raise PF would be fine. I love MK's suggestion to lead the flop.8. I just don't understand. I think you're getting over-eager. You're still 3-handed, A7o isn't exactly a major powerhouse. Make normal raises and out-play them on the flop or shut down to resistance. I didn't see results, but if he's got 99 here (for example) he's probably giving it up by the turn. Pretty close: he had 88. I think what you're missing that makes these plays much more reasonable is the amount of dead money I'm generating in the times that I'm not getting called. Notice how I lost 4 all-in pots in a row and still had money left? You're not seeing the 10-15 pots I won without showdown in this span. I think the total number for the tournament was around 60 pots without showdown, but I'm not sure.9. They all know you're playing some shitty cards but I still wouldn't let them limp. Him calling with Q7 here is a big mistake. You've got position on the SB, raise and make him pay to see flops. In this case you would've flopped TP. Which makes me wonder with you, why are you slowplaying a very vulnerable TP?Because I had relatively little experience playing with a laggy table image at the time. I can be a maniac in some circumstances, and I do advocate a lot of risky plays, but I generally play TAG. Leading is undoubtedly the right play.10. You have an M around 10 and you're pushing with 42o... this is beyond me. You're slowplaying (sort of) your actual hands and instantly jamming with your crap. Ok I agree -- play for 1st, play for the win. Be bold, be aggressive. But come on, just let it go. With the hands you've shown down I have no idea why AJs isn't an insta-call here for him.Yeah, it's a pretty easy fold preflop. :)I was just experimenting with this one. I don't play LAG very often and I don't think playing sit and goes really gives you the same experience as doing it in the real thing. I've won enough in the $22 180s over the last semester or two to not care about a few hundred in prize money--I wanted to see what it was like to be the maniac and get some feedback on how to correct my mistakes. Just to give you some insight, I got some math help from MK. Here is my equity in all of the all-in pots I posted in these ten hands: 43.5%, 37.7%, 32.4%, 28.7%. I lose all four of those confrontations roughly 17% of the time, which means I have an 83% shot of going into the heads up match with a huge chip lead (3 of those pots) or at a small disadvantage (the last one).Did I have better than an 83% chance of making the heads up match when I was sitting with 180k three-handed? Of course. I'm just saying that it wasn't so horrible to be splashing around, and I was really kind of unlucky that it turned out the way it did. I should have folded most of these hands for sure, but it was all for the experience. I fully acknowledge that tightening up and playing TAG would have increased my equity in a meaningful way, but I chose to play by my gameplan and try something new.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 01:36 PM

Thanks for the feedback.I'll look at #2 again. I've thought about leading out on #7 and am not sure. Perhaps it depends on how strong you read him to be. If he's got something and you bet out, he's liable to dis-believe and raise. OTOH, if it was a total steal or missed the flop so completely he may just fold. Not sure. I don't really mind the check-raise, just perhaps not for so much.
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