How Bad Was This

[Scott3705 0]

2/43 early limps and CO raises, I call with 56 (thinking I may get the blind and some limpers here. is this a fold here?), BB 3bets, limpers fold, CO calls, I call (fold here?)Flop: ($26)Flop 7 k 8 Bb bets, CO calls, I callTurn ($32)3 BB bets, CO calls, I callriver:4 BB bets, Co calls, I raise....river is fine. wondering about other streets. Three people at the table called me a fish for this and well... I kinda am at limit for the moment but I really didn't see anything wrong w/ this one besides questionable preflop.

[Zach6668 513]

Post flop seems fine.Preflop is a fold though, in most games.- Zach

[Scott3705 0]

Post flop seems fine.Preflop is a fold though, in most games.- Zach

are you every really playing small suited connectors or small pairs for a raise?

[Zach6668 513]

are you every really playing small suited connectors or small pairs for a raise?

Well, looking again, we actually may be ok here.I just looked quick, and missed that this pot will be AT LEAST 5 handed, plus any blinds coming along, so I changed my mind. I like preflop. 56 is probably as low as I'll go though.EDIT - Was this live, btw?

[Scott3705 0]

Well, looking again, we actually may be ok here.I just looked quick, and missed that this pot will be AT LEAST 5 handed, plus any blinds coming along, so I changed my mind. I like preflop. 56 is probably as low as I'll go though.EDIT - Was this live, btw?

No, online... the hand history for the site is just impossible to find specific hands.

[AlphaOmega 0]

I don't mind the cold-call if you can anticipate about 5 other players on average.With 3 early limps + CO + at least the BB (He'd be getting like 11.5:1), that gives us what we need.BTW, that number is arbitrary, so I don't know what others might say. I just think that in general a suited connector would be profitable against 5 other opponents as long as we can play well post flop.I just read your post, Scott. I'd plan on mucking most connectors and pps to a raise (there are few situations where you should be cold-calling). I'd basically play either if I was pretty sure the pot was going to be very multiway. However, anything less than 4 and playing these hands to a raise becomes pretty awful.

[Scott3705 0]

I don't mind the cold-call if you can anticipate about 5 other players on average.With 3 early limps + CO + at least the BB (He'd be getting like 11.5:1), that gives us what we need.BTW, that number is arbitrary, so I don't know what others might say. I just think that in general a suited connector would be profitable against 5 other opponents as long as we can play well post flop.I just read your post, Scott. I'd plan on mucking most connectors and pps to a raise (there are few situations where you should be cold-calling). I'd basically play either if I was pretty sure the pot was going to be very multiway. Anything less than 4 and playing these hands to a raise becomes pretty awful.

I anticipated all limpers calling the raise and maybe one of the blinds. The BB's raise complicated things as he knocked out the limpers and trapped me for three bets here. I don't think I can fold to the three bet right?

[AlphaOmega 0]

I don't think I can fold to the three bet right?

No way. Look at the odds you are getting.If they flipped up their hands and showed you kings and aces, it would still be correct for you to call.As a general rule, it is correct 99.99% of the time to call one back once you've entered the pot pre-flop. For example, let's say you limp in EP and someone in LP raises. You should almost always call. If you cold-call, you should never fold for one more.

[Scott3705 0]

No way. Look at the odds you are getting.If they flipped up their hands and showed you kings and aces, it would still be correct for you to call.As a general rule, it is correct 99.99% of the time to call one back once you've entered the pot pre-flop. For example, let's say you limp in EP and someone in LP raises. You should almost always call. If you cold-call, you should never fold for one more.

that's what I thought. Like I said, i got a lot of business for this hand for quite awhile. I wasn't arguing back, I think a lot of it was the flop call which I thought was right as I don't think either of these players have a hand that is going to make the 8 a second best str8 for me. I really thought I was missing something.

[Zach6668 513]

that's what I thought. Like I said, i got a lot of business for this hand for quite awhile. I wasn't arguing back, I think a lot of it was the flop call which I thought was right as I don't think either of these players have a hand that is going to make the 8 a second best str8 for me. I really thought I was missing something.

Just tell them they were soooooooted and reap the rewards

[LongLiveYorke 38]

I fold to the raise preflop. But I'm tight. Obviously, once you cold called and it gets three bet, you have to call the third bet. The rest of the hand is played nicely, I think.

[Zach6668 513]

I fold to the raise preflop. But I'm tight. Obviously, once you cold called and it gets three bet, you have to call the third bet. The rest of the hand is played nicely, I think.

That's certainly a valid decision preflop. I doubt we are giving up _much_ by folding.- Zach

[AlphaOmega 0]

that's what I thought. Like I said, i got a lot of business for this hand for quite awhile. I wasn't arguing back, I think a lot of it was the flop call which I thought was right as I don't think either of these players have a hand that is going to make the 8 a second best str8 for me. I really thought I was missing something.

If they thought your flop call was bad then you need to buddy list that entire table.Also, considering your opponents' tendencies, you could consider raising this flop for a free turn card or fold equity against weak/tighties that would fold mid pairs to an overcard. As played I think calling is best without that information.

[Actuary 3]

I like.but...if you are questioning your preflop call(s) that's a sign you may lack the ability post flop to be comfortable in marginal situations.to which I say: Play more hands preflop..loosen up...get practice in those marginal situations.

[screech 0]

I would fold preflop. I think the lowest suited connector I would play in this spot is 98s

[Actuary 3]

I would fold preflop.

yeah.... you should.

[Scott3705 0]

I like.but...if you are questioning your preflop call(s) that's a sign you may lack the ability post flop to be comfortable in marginal situations.to which I say: Play more hands preflop..loosen up...get practice in those marginal situations.

Ding ding ding. Call was just kinda an instinctive NL call where I am very comfortable playing them. I really did think the pot was going to get fairly multiway.

If they thought your flop call was bad then you need to buddy list that entire table.Also, considering your opponents' tendencies, you could consider raising this flop for a free turn card or fold equity against weak/tighties that would fold mid pairs to an overcard. As played I think calling is best without that information.

I didn't think BB was going anywhere with a raise here and felt like I would have gotten three bet and lost the other villain.

[Moneyball16 0]

Anyone else raise flop for free card with oesd and bdfd? We might get 3-bet with alot of hands but I think I still raise. Well thats what I do if we are on the button, but i am not sure if we are button or sb. If we are in sb i c/c flop.

[The Nuts 0]

In that situation, I'd have to see the flop. You called the raise so you might as well see the flop now.I love playing small suited connectors. If there's a raise in front of you and the flop hits your hand real good, then you probably have the rest of the players beat. The flop probably missed them because they're most likely holding high cards, an overpair at best. Even if they somehow are holding a set, you still have ways to beat them. I think this hand was played pretty well. You had enough outs to justify calling to the river. You made your hand and now you can milk it for as much as you can.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Anyone else raise flop for free card with oesd and bdfd? We might get 3-bet with alot of hands but I think I still raise. Well thats what I do if we are on the button, but i am not sure if we are button or sb. If we are in sb i c/c flop.

Either way I dont 3-bet.That flop most likely hit the bbs hand in some way. Whether he has a pp or Ak so we are getting 3-bet a ton and its unlikely we get a free card to often. Also no one is putting us on 56 so it allows us to possibly trap for bets later on if a seemingly harmless 5 or 9 hits.

[Briguy 0]

You only made one mistake in the hand (the original cold-call). Besides for that, you played it perfectly. Buddylist the whiners.

[Shimmering Wang 1]

Anyone else raise flop for free card with oesd and bdfd? We might get 3-bet with alot of hands but I think I still raise. Well thats what I do if we are on the button, but i am not sure if we are button or sb. If we are in sb i c/c flop.

IF we're on the button here, this is an easy raise with a straight draw and BDFD. A hand like KK/AA/AK might decide to get fancy and check/raise the turn, and getting 3-bet isn't even that bad. Hands like AK might even get scared of a set, and there's no way QQ or JJ is putting in a 3rd bet. I don't have poker-stove with me here, and I'm too lazy to run the numbers, but our equity in this pot is good enough to risk getting 3-bet (we don't really give up much at all, with the extra player) if there's any chance of getting our opponent(s) to make a bigger mistake.Also, this isn't an awful call preflop. Pot's gonna be big, and there's a good chance you'll flop some sort of draw in a multiway pot. As long as you're comfortable playing your draws well (you're going to see a river much of the time, even if you only flop a gutshot), and comfortable with the idea that you might have to dump off a lot of chips if you flop a gutshot or a pair, you can make this call on the button. That being said, it's pretty marginal, and unimportant one way or the other, unless there are people making all sorts of awful awful plays after the flop. I generally fold, because I'm too lazy to worry about the marginal situation when I have a lot of tables running.Sorry I'm long.Wang

[looshle 6]

Folding preflop is bad, you're on the button with a suited connector in a multiway pot.Raise the flop, go for the free card.Call the turn if donked in to,Obv raise the river.