Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 The GoalTo turn $50 in my first Pokerstars deposit into $1000.The RulesI'll play only Limit games, primarily Holdem, though I might mix in some O8 or Stud etc. later on.I won't move up in limits without at least 300BB for the new limit. I will post hands that I win and lose and explain my thinking behind how I played them.I'm too lazy to spellcheck. Deal with it.Day 29, Session 1, 450 hands, +$4. Session 2, 32 hands, +$20. Holdem's a crazy game.Played late last night after posting day 28 and got bad beaten to death and couldn't really put together two good hands in a row. Tonight, I had 20 minutes to play, got 32 hands in, won like $20. That's poker.Some hands:From the bad beat session, the door prize for getting sucked out on 500 gazillion times:PokerStars Game #1296159535: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/02 - 23:46:02 (ET)Table 'Feronia' Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: abiscotti ($26.75 in chips) Seat 2: bearsfan96 ($20.50 in chips) Seat 3: Fammy ($48.75 in chips) Seat 4: thecandle ($43.75 in chips) Seat 5: Filler25 ($13.25 in chips) Seat 7: opiate burn ($30.50 in chips) Seat 8: pokerweeney ($15 in chips) Seat 9: T.Undertaker ($23 in chips) Seat 10: RaZe_U ($9.50 in chips) thecandle: posts small blind $0.25Filler25: posts big blind $0.50jagboss138: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Js Qs]opiate burn: folds pokerweeney: folds T.Undertaker: folds RaZe_U: folds abiscotti: calls $0.50bearsfan96: folds Fammy: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Filler25: checks *** FLOP *** [5d As Jc]thecandle: bets $0.50Filler25: folds abiscotti: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [5d As Jc] [Ks]thecandle: bets $1abiscotti: calls $1*** RIVER *** [5d As Jc Ks] [Ts]thecandle: bets $1abiscotti: raises $1 to $2thecandle: raises $1 to $3abiscotti: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Js Qs] (a Royal Flush)abiscotti: mucks hand thecandle collected $10 from potI'm long past the point of getting excited about hitting a royal, When I hit one against quads, a FH, and a lower straight flush I'll be more excited.I'll spare you the crazy beats, flopped quads against my KK etc,Here are some hands from just a few minutes ago, fresh if you will. Not many hands tonight, have real writing that I actualy get paid for doing to do.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ah Jh]JetroFly: folds trotts: calls $0.50saintdale: folds goldeelocs: calls $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1KingConn: folds agillette: folds noDiggity: folds MtnBike01: folds stockfan12: folds trotts: calls $0.50goldeelocs: calls $0.50I raise AJs from MP, two callers.*** FLOP *** [Kd Th 4c]trotts: checks goldeelocs: checks thecandle: checksHaving the button and the nut straight gutshot, I check it. Table's pretty fishy, fold equity at a minnimum. *** TURN *** [Kd Th 4c] [As]trotts: bets $1goldeelocs: calls $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2trotts: calls $1goldeelocs: foldsHit an ace, EP player bets out, I raise with TP, he calls. *** RIVER *** [Kd Th 4c As] [7c]trotts: checks thecandle: bets $1trotts: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ah Jh] (a pair of Aces)trotts: mucks hand thecandle collected $10.25 from potHe checks, I bet, he has KQ. Thanks for the free card *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Jc Kc]LilBro'sAces: folds jenjen88: folds Greherta: folds thecandle: calls $0.50mybuddyherky: folds Jerry710: raises $0.50 to $1JakeHenry 44: folds ebill: folds Chaucer11: calls $0.75gangly joker: folds thecandle: calls $0.50KJs in the BB, worth one more bet with two in before me.*** FLOP *** [Js Kh 2h]Chaucer11: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Jerry710: folds Chaucer11: calls $0.50Two pair, cool. I raise here because it looke like a free card play from a flush draw and it's likely I get another raise in on the turn from most players if a flush card doesn't hit.*** TURN *** [Js Kh 2h] [Jh]Chaucer11: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2Chaucer11: calls $1Or if it does, I guess.*** RIVER *** [Js Kh 2h Jh] [Qd]Chaucer11: checks thecandle: bets $1Chaucer11: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Jc Kc] (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)He has KT, so I'm actually good here if the jacks are 3's.Dealt to thecandle [As Qd]Chaucer11: folds sparhawkx has timed outsparhawkx: folds sparhawkx is sitting outtwocents: folds Big Dave DJT: calls $0.50Jerry710: folds Terry02: folds sparhawkx has returnedthecandle: raises $0.50 to $1ARJIM: folds ironmike1787: folds Big Dave DJT: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [4h Ad 5h]Big Dave DJT: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Big Dave DJT: raises $0.50 to $1.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [4h Ad 5h] [8d]Big Dave DJT: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** RIVER *** [4h Ad 5h 8d] [2c]Big Dave DJT: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***Big Dave DJT: shows [Ac Qs] (a pair of Aces)thecandle: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Aces)Split pot with AQ, shrug.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ah Kc]G2DaMoney joins the table at seat #7 ironmike1787: folds Chaucer11: folds sparhawkx: folds twocents: raises $0.50 to $1Big Dave DJT: folds Jerry710: folds Terry02: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50ARJIM: folds twocents: calls $0.50MP raise into my AK in the SB, I three-bet, he calls.*** FLOP *** [Jd Ac 8h]thecandle: bets $0.50twocents: calls $0.50I bet, he calls.*** TURN *** [Jd Ac 8h] [3c]thecandle: bets $1twocents: raises $1 to $2thecandle: calls $1I bet, he raises, I call.*** RIVER *** [Jd Ac 8h 3c] [2s]thecandle: checks twocents: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***twocents: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Aces)thecandle: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Aces - King kicker)thecandle collected $10 from potI check, he bets, I call and beat AQ.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [9s Ts]Greherta: folds thecandle: calls $0.50mybuddyherky: raises $0.50 to $1luqqy: calls $1AB cowdoc: folds ebill: folds gangly joker: folds LilBro'sAces: folds jenjen88: folds thecandle: calls $0.50I call with 9Ts a UTG+1, which I normally never do that early, but the table had seemed pretty passive, so I thought I could sneak in. Naturaly it got raised. *** FLOP *** [8h 7h Js]thecandle: checks mybuddyherky: bets $0.50luqqy: calls $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50Worked out ok though.*** TURN *** [8h 7h Js] [Kc]thecandle: checks mybuddyherky: bets $1luqqy: calls $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2mybuddyherky: calls $1luqqy: calls $1I wait till the tunrn to raise, hoping I'm looking at AK or even better, KK and might get even another bet. No joy.*** RIVER *** [8h 7h Js Kc] [As]thecandle: bets $1mybuddyherky: calls $1luqqy: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [9s Ts] (a straight, Seven to Jack)mybuddyherky: mucks hand thecandle collected $13.25 from potHe had QQ.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [8h Ah]/iper: folds /iper leaves the tableR2AB1: calls $0.50osu67: calls $0.50play2much1: folds 2tiny3: folds thecandle: calls $0.50HANKIT: calls $0.25singkham: checks A8s on the button, I limp.*** FLOP *** [5s Ad Tc]HANKIT: checks singkham: checks R2AB1: checks osu67: checks thecandle: bets $0.50HANKIT: calls $0.50singkham: folds R2AB1: folds osu67: foldsChecked around to me, I oblige anyone slowplaying AK waiting to raise and bet out. One call. *** TURN *** [5s Ad Tc] [6c]HANKIT: checks charlie2440 has returnedthecandle: bets $1HANKIT: calls $1Bet, he calls.*** RIVER *** [5s Ad Tc 6c] [9h]HANKIT: checks thecandle: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***HANKIT: shows [7c Ac] (a pair of Aces)thecandle: shows [8h Ah] (a pair of Aces - Eight kicker)thecandle collected $5.25 from potI misread the board and thought the river put 4 to a straight out so I checked behind. I'd normaly bet that.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Jh Kd]LeoMcDermott: folds jwoods1951: folds lefty909: folds rhart: folds CMacAttackca: folds Ediezz: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1noncents: folds Duke323: folds myfluffy: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand meh.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qc Kh]frank-chen is connected blakalicious: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1f8isntreal: raises $0.50 to $1.50sparhawkx: folds XX3000GTXX: folds frank-chen has returnedkoba777: folds Ediezz: folds yellowjack: folds brsfish: folds thecandle: calls $0.50I raise from UTG+1 with KQ, get three bet, and call.*** FLOP *** [Jc 2s Ts]thecandle: checks f8isntreal: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50He bets, I call with an OESD.*** TURN *** [Jc 2s Ts] [9s]thecandle: checks f8isntreal: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2f8isntreal: calls $1Hit the nut straight and raise, he calls.*** RIVER *** [Jc 2s Ts 9s] [8c]thecandle: bets $1f8isntreal: folds thecandle collected $8.50 from potHe folds to my river bet with 4 to a straight on the board.Shame it wasn't QQ/AQ.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Js Ah]thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1jenjen88: calls $1gdplunk: folds jake_23: folds sunnyduce joins the table at seat #2 Bicycle: folds Green Jim: folds x_opiate_x: folds saintdale: folds *** FLOP *** [3s 4c 6d]thecandle: bets $0.50jenjen88: folds thecandle collected $2.75 from potmeh.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [As Qc]justdealbaby: folds johnnytt: checks thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1KingConn: folds grantben: folds yellowjack: folds Wildcard2: folds Bicycle: folds Rudy728: calls $0.75mybuddyherky: folds johnnytt: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [4c Qs 5c]Rudy728: checks johnnytt: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Rudy728: folds johnnytt: folds thecandle collected $3.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Meh.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qd Qh]gangly joker: calls $0.50LilBro'sAces: folds jenjen88: folds Greherta: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1mybuddyherky: folds Jerry710: folds JakeHenry 44: folds ebill: folds Chaucer11: folds gangly joker: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9d 3d Ac]gangly joker: checks thecandle: bets $0.50gangly joker: folds thecandle collected $2.75 from potMeh.I know, boring update.I'll try to get more hands posted next time, maybe go through and look at how I play one specefic hand like TT in various situations. Dunno.ResultsStarting Bankroll: $342.71Ending Bankroll: $367.71Playtime: maybe 500Net: $25BB/100: 2.5/3ish. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I like that idea. Alot of people have trouble with JJ and TT.Nice post. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to thecandle [Ah Kc] G2DaMoney joins the table at seat #7 ironmike1787: folds Chaucer11: folds sparhawkx: folds twocents: raises $0.50 to $1 Big Dave DJT: folds Jerry710: folds Terry02: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50 ARJIM: folds twocents: calls $0.50 MP raise into my AK in the SB, I three-bet, he calls. *** FLOP *** [Jd Ac 8h] thecandle: bets $0.50 twocents: calls $0.50 I bet, he calls. *** TURN *** [Jd Ac 8h] [3c] thecandle: bets $1 twocents: raises $1 to $2 thecandle: calls $1 I bet, he raises, I call. why not htree bet to see if he caps it or just calls. You have TPTK on a realtively uncoordinated board*** RIVER *** [Jd Ac 8h 3c] [2s] thecandle: checks twocents: bets $1 thecandle: calls $1 *** SHOW DOWN *** twocents: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Aces) thecandle: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Aces - King kicker) thecandle collected $10 from pot I check, he bets, I call and beat AQ. *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to thecandle [9s Ts] Greherta: folds thecandle: calls $0.50 mybuddyherky: raises $0.50 to $1 luqqy: calls $1 AB cowdoc: folds ebill: folds gangly joker: folds LilBro'sAces: folds jenjen88: folds thecandle: calls $0.50 I call with 9Ts a UTG+1, which I normally never do that early, but the table had seemed pretty passive, so I thought I could sneak in. Naturaly it got raised. *** FLOP *** [8h 7h Js] thecandle: checks mybuddyherky: bets $0.50 luqqy: calls $0.50 thecandle: calls $0.50 Worked out ok though. why not go for a CR here, the two flush could very well ruin your flopped straight, this is extremely dangerous, just don't get it*** TURN *** [8h 7h Js] [Kc] thecandle: checks mybuddyherky: bets $1 luqqy: calls $1 thecandle: raises $1 to $2 mybuddyherky: calls $1 luqqy: calls $1 I wait till the tunrn to raise, hoping I'm looking at AK or even better, KK and might get even another bet. No joy. *** RIVER *** [8h 7h Js Kc] [As] thecandle: bets $1 mybuddyherky: calls $1 luqqy: folds *** SHOW DOWN *** thecandle: shows [9s Ts] (a straight, Seven to Jack) mybuddyherky: mucks hand thecandle collected $13.25 from pot Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 The AK hand...he got C/r'ed on the turn. That's a sign of pure strength. 3-betting would be chip spewing.I like the C/r on the flop with the straight, however. It sucks when it gets checked through on the turn, but if you got a read that a player will bet, C/r'ing the turn has higher +EV. I think smash also trapped another player for two bets. He got maximum value. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 why not go for a CR here, the two flush could very well ruin your flopped straight, this is extremely dangerous, just don't get it Really?I want the flush draw to pay me to draw when it's most profitable for me and least likely that he'll complete.Raising this flop does nothing to protect it from flush draws. If I had a flush draw I'd be happy someone raised. It's correct for a flush draw to call two cold here.I'm looking to raise for value here, it's impposible to protect this hand from a set or a flush draw.There's more value on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 why not htree bet to see if he caps it or just calls. You have TPTK on a realtively uncoordinated board Because the range of hands he raises the turn with doesn't include many that I'm ahead of. AQ happens to be one, but I don't get to see his cards untill the end of the hand.Raise and see if he caps and then what if he caps?Fold? Horrible. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 The AK hand...he got C/r'ed on the turn. That's a sign of pure strength. 3-betting would be chip spewing.I like the C/r on the flop with the straight, however. It sucks when it gets checked through on the turn, but if you got a read that a player will bet, C/r'ing the turn has higher +EV. I think smash also trapped another player for two bets. He got maximum value.smash bet out on the turn and the guy raised him. It wasn't a C/R. I can see what your saying smash about the hand as he could've been slowplaying a set of eights. D you really think he'd call with A8 or that he wouldn't have three bet with Jacks PF. AJ is a possibility here too. Did you think that he could've woken up to the three with A3? just wondering Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Nice hands.I disagree with the KQo UTG raise, but I suppose that has to do with the table.If you can help it, I advise not playing during the afternoon and playing at as many hands as you can at night.n You know how it is at the rock gardens. It's especially interesting how getting caught between a limp re-raiser can really cut into your profit if you've been playing tight.I agree JJ and TT are extremely tough to play PF and after the flop.For example, I just had UTG fishy raise, folded to me on button with TT. I had no read on him at the time so I folded. Turns out he had KJs :cry: .Would anyone else raise this player with no reads? I don't think calling is viable here because the blinds are getting a look at the flop for just a single bet, and you don't want 2-3 players seeing the flop with you; that's when it's least profitable. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Nice hands.I disagree with the KQo UTG raise, but I suppose that has to do with the table. /shrug.I didn't see that many three-bets to an early position raise, think it's way + EV to raise it UTG. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 i thought i might post a JJ hand here that was interesting / baffling:[limit 2/4]EP calls. MP raises to 4.i have JJ in LP. i three bet up to 6. EP calls, MP calls.FLOP comes: Q Q 6EP checks, MP bets 2, i raise to 4. then EP raises to 6 on a C/R.[i think raising here is the best play, but after the EP raise i think it's a Q and i'm down to 2 outs]i call the last 2 with a groan.TURN comes: Q Q 6 [5]now EP checks? and MP checks. this is where i'm baffled. i end up checking [i should have bet here, but i choked. for some reason i thought EP might be making a stupid play to try and C/R again]RIVER comes another undercard.EP bets, MP calls, i call.EP has 77. MP mucked. i win with JJ.i wish i would have bet the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
dominiksdad 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 i thought i might post a JJ hand here that was interesting / baffling:[limit 2/4]EP calls. MP raises to 4.i have JJ in LP. i three bet up to 6. EP calls, MP calls.FLOP comes: Q Q 7EP checks, MP bets 2, i raise to 4. then EP raises to 6 on a C/R.[i think raising here is the best play, but after the EP raise i think it's a Q and i'm down to 2 outs]i call the last 2 with a groan.TURN comes: Q Q 7 [5]now EP checks? and MP checks. this is where i'm baffled. i end up checking [i should have bet here, but i choked. for some reason i thought EP might be making a stupid play to try and C/R again]RIVER comes another undercard.EP bets, MP calls, i call.EP has 77. MP mucked. i win with JJ.i wish i would have bet the turn.If he had 77 wouldn't his 7s full of Qs beat your 2 pair? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 oops time to go back and edit the misprint.he did have 77.the 3rd card was a 6.my mistake. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Checking the turn is probably fine there, actually, unless there was an obvious missed flush draw or something.I think he probably folds the 77 if you bet the turn, so you likely didn't lose much value giving the free one there. Link to post Share on other sites
slappy110 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 i would have three bet it for three reasons:1: by folding here, i will gain no further information (given the likelihood the blinds won't call and then make to a showdown) so i won't improve my read on the guy which three betting will take me into the hand where i will be able to put him on a hand and get some sort of read on him.2: i have position with a solid hand. Simply because of the fact that if was a low limit game (im assuming, i don't recall if you said this or not, and even still, unless your playing for higher stakes this most likely applies) most of the players are not good enough to realize that they shouldn't raise utg with marginal hands, therefor, your tt with position figures to be the best hand most of the time against the entire spectrum of raising hands for weak loose players. 3: establish my own image with this guy. Since you said you didn'thave a read on him, im assuming he was new to the game; i want him to know im the aggressor here, i have control of the table and he can no longer make the kinds of weak moves he's making without paying for it. I can profit by knowing how he views me...i want to make it clear i have dominance. The decision also lies in your read on the blinds...if the blinds are very loose passive players then none of the above would really apply...my three betting here is with FULL intention to get into a heads up situation. If theres a good chance that the blinds will still call three bets, then raising wouldn't be a good play. If they are not just loose, but passive gambling type players, then i would simply cold call the raise and try to hit a set given the increase in implied odds since they are loose passive gamblers. This is why i love poker...every single situation is different from the others...there are so many things to factor in a poker situation...isn't it great...anyways this is all just my opinion...good luck.PS: ive decided im going to marry my girlfriend tonight; im talking to her about next weekend and how noone will be at my house and im gonna have a poker tournament to which she responds "oh hell yeah ill be here, poker and sex! what more could you ask for!?" lmao sware to god...shes an angel Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I agree JJ and TT are extremely tough to play PF and after the flop.For example, I just had UTG fishy raise, folded to me on button with TT. I had no read on him at the time so I folded. Turns out he had KJsi would re-raise half the time, and call the other half of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I agree JJ and TT are extremely tough to play PF and after the flop.For example, I just had UTG fishy raise, folded to me on button with TT. I had no read on him at the time so I folded. Turns out he had KJsi would re-raise half the time, and call the other half of the time.Embarrassingly, the easy correct answer is to 3-bet. Assuming UTG is a solid player who will only raise AK/AQ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ you are dominated half of the time, but a slight favorite the other half of the time. In reality very few players are this tight so if he raises with hands like AJ as well as KQ then it's even easier to 3-bet. With the overlay from the blinds and additional pressure to the UTG raiser, this is the only way to go. Link to post Share on other sites
Emptyeye 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 i thought i might post a JJ hand here that was interesting / baffling:[limit 2/4]EP calls. MP raises to 4.i have JJ in LP. i three bet up to 6. EP calls, MP calls.FLOP comes: Q Q 6EP checks, MP bets 2, i raise to 4. then EP raises to 6 on a C/R.[i think raising here is the best play, but after the EP raise i think it's a Q and i'm down to 2 outs]i call the last 2 with a groan.TURN comes: Q Q 6 [5]now EP checks? and MP checks. this is where i'm baffled. i end up checking [i should have bet here, but i choked. for some reason i thought EP might be making a stupid play to try and C/R again]RIVER comes another undercard.EP bets, MP calls, i call.EP has 77. MP mucked. i win with JJ.i wish i would have bet the turn.Just pointing out that lately I've had a rush of hands like this, where I pick up pocket pairs of all types, people are capping pre-flop, raising post-flop, etc (And I'm calling even though I probably have no reason to), and it turns out my pocket pair is good..once Jacks held up to a three club board and an overcard, and another time my Sevens were good against two aces on the board went it turned out one person had pocket threes and everyone else missed everything completely.But anyway, good post. Smash, I'm curious as to what you think about calling one more bet to "look someone up" on the river. I've noticed this seems to happen a lot as a by-product of how you play (IE "well, there's too much money in the pot now for me to fold"), but have you ever done it purely to gain information, IE you've missed everything and are somehow still in the hand, and you decide to call regardless of whether it's +EV or not? Link to post Share on other sites
QKRTHNU 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Smash,Could you please post some figures so far for your total project?ie.Total hands playedOverall avg BB/100Maybe even % of flops seen, showdowns won/lost etc; if you have this data.Thanks.PS - I've found this project of yours very helpful. Great study tool. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Smash...would you mind posting your blog again? Have only seen in once and I forgot the addy.thanks Link to post Share on other sites
AC BillP 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I like the plays, except the one hand-- not check- raising the nut straight on the flop. Why? Well first you have the best hand, second you're getting more than 2:1 on your money assuming the 3rd guy plays but are at worst 1:1 to win. If the 3rd player drops with the CR that's OK too. The other reason is there is no rule saying that the better didn't didn't flop SET, or better slow play AA, and will rebet it. If he does, you a favorite too. I can see waiting to see that a flush card turns, but the most profit in the long run comes from maximizing the pot on the flop IMHO (I assume these players don't play very well, and you get paid--But I'm not in game to see). The real question was whether you were going to lead if a garbage card hits on turn, or go for a check raise on the turn. Since you did lead, I'd lean the the check raise on the flop as the most profitable long term. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 The AK hand...he got C/r'ed on the turn. That's a sign of pure strength. 3-betting would be chip spewing.I like the C/r on the flop with the straight, however. It sucks when it gets checked through on the turn, but if you got a read that a player will bet, C/r'ing the turn has higher +EV. I think smash also trapped another player for two bets. He got maximum value.smash bet out on the turn and the guy raised him. It wasn't a C/R. I can see what your saying smash about the hand as he could've been slowplaying a set of eights. D you really think he'd call with A8 or that he wouldn't have three bet with Jacks PF. AJ is a possibility here too. Did you think that he could've woken up to the three with A3? just wonderingOops. It was still a slowplay. If someone raises on the turn, they usually mean it. The guy clearly thought his AQ was good. Link to post Share on other sites
AC BillP 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I'd have put him on AJ or 88 and mucked the turn--shows what I know! Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Smash,Could you please post some figures so far for your total project?ie.Total hands playedOverall avg BB/100Maybe even % of flops seen, showdowns won/lost etc; if you have this dataAll aproximate:probably 10,000 hands, about 4.5 BB/100 overall, 60% win at showdown, 25% flops sen.I don't keep this project data in any sort of database or anything, but those numbers are probably pretty close. If you count all the FCP table hands I've played and messing around in .02/.04 stud and whatnot, it's probably a lot more hands. While I've ben lately cranking out maybe 500 or more a day, there were a lot of days I only played 50 or so. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Author Share Posted March 4, 2005 Smash...would you mind posting your blog again? Have only seen in once and I forgot the addy.Wrto's is a lot more intresting, mine is just old posts of this project.It's in my aig. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Checking the turn is probably fine there, actually, unless there was an obvious missed flush draw or something.I think he probably folds the 77 if you bet the turn, so you likely didn't lose much value giving the free one there.good point. yeah i gave him a chance to lead out on the river and he did. Link to post Share on other sites
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