12 replies to this topic

[shamhawks]

I'm not consistent with this hand out of position...I guess my play usually goes by the players in against me.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 ($105.95)
MP3 ($205.17)
CO ($72.75)
Button ($231.31)
SB ($103.35)
BB ($104.15)
UTG ($58.89)
UTG+1 ($105)
UTG+2 ($141.72)
Hero ($90.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:spade:, A:diamond:. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) Q:club:, A:heart:, 8:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($15.50) Q:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, CO calls $2.50.

River: ($20.50) 2:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO calls $20.

Final Pot: $60.50

I'm only into this table for about 30 hands...but the player who calls me seems very loose...in most hands and calls down...For this reason, I'm a little confused on what is the best way to try and maximize against this player. I decide to value bet and if he comes over the top....great...he doesn't bite...I honestly put him on KQ, so I wait a good 20 seconds on the river like i don't know what to do and then fire pot sized bet, so if he does have KQ i will at least get called if he doesn't go all-in..

[petersun]

I think this guy would have called larger bets on the flop, and turn, and the river. A 1/2 to 3/4 pot sized bet on the flop followed by a 3/4 pot bet on the turn (to make sure he has a Q). On the river you can probably bet anything if you have defined his hand to be Qx. He'll call it thinking you have top pair.

So $5 on flop, $15 on turn. And the rest of it on the river.

[Jordan]

I think this guy would have called larger bets on the flop, and turn, and the river. A 1/2 to 3/4 pot sized bet on the flop followed by a 3/4 pot bet on the turn (to make sure he has a Q). On the river you can probably bet anything if you have defined his hand to be Qx. He'll call it thinking you have top pair.

So $5 on flop, $15 on turn. And the rest of it on the river.

i hate your flop and turn bet.

with this guy you need to build the pot more so on the river he feels more committed to the hand and will call bigger bets more often cause of money in the pot.

in this case you are kinda lucky he called a pot size bet on the river after just calling two very weak bets.

this kinda play may work at the lower limits, but as you move up you really need to be able to bet more consistently with and without hands more aggressively, or better players will see thru it again and again.

- Jordan

[shamhawks]

i hate your flop and turn bet.

with this guy you need to build the pot more so on the river he feels more committed to the hand and will call bigger bets more often cause of money in the pot.

in this case you are kinda lucky he called a pot size bet on the river after just calling two very weak bets.

this kinda play may work at the lower limits, but as you move up you really need to be able to bet more consistently with and without hands more aggressively, or better players will see thru it again and again.

- Jordan

yeah I almost made a pot size bet on turn, but decided to be sneaky betting weaker than i did on the flop, to make it seem like i just had AJ AK KK and giving him an opportunity to come over the top...no luck

[PotemkinCity]

yuck, you should have had his stack, with or without position. you need to get money in that pot, the flop and turn made me sick. these are the types of hands you need to maximise the value, **** playing sneaky. close to pot it on the flop and see what he does, take a while then pot it on the turn and see what he does, then on the river, I'd just jam it, he's not calling on both streets then folding the river unless he's trying for a flush [although very, very, very unlikely in the situation you have described] I'd put the guy on KQ or possibly even slow playing AQ, thinking h'es the one trapping.

I'm all for letting them hang themselves, but you didn't give Him enough rope my friend.

[Scott3705]

Shanshanks, A lot of hands you post on here, I think you are betting far to small relative to pot size. you really need to make the flop bet 3/4 to full pot atleast on every hand you bet and 2/3 to pot on the turn. River we can slow down for value if the opportunity presents itself. I think you miss a lot of value with your betting patterns. Also, i think you either have no FE when you bet and therefore can no steal many small pots, or you make them transparent by raising more.

[BeaverStyle]

I agree w/ the responses. One of my buddy consistantly loses money playing .5/1nl because he simply has no idea how to bet acording to the pot size.

-you really need to make the flop bet 3/4 to full pot atleast on every hand you bet and 2/3 to pot on the turn. River we can slow down for value if the opportunity presents itself.-'

couldn't have said it better myself.

[MasterLJ]

I actually would like the flop/turn betting if they were in higher amounts with proportion to the pot size.

$6-9 on the flop,
$5-8 on the turn (must be less than flop bet),
Bump it up on the river.

A big indication of weakness is when the turn bet is lower than the flop bet. It says, "I have a strong ace, but I'm afraid of the queen." You're losing out on a few bucks in exchange for the chance they push.

On the river, if he's willing to call $20, he's probably willing to call an all-in. At those stakes especially the Q isn't going to fold to anything, especially with so much in the pot.

[petersun]

Edit: Nevermind, I thought someone was talking to me when they weren't =)

[shamhawks]

Thanks guys. I am normally a half size bet type player for the most part unless I try and get sneaky, thinking a player will do something. Being the outcome of the hand, I probably should have did this on the flop and turn, cuz with what this player played, cannot believe he called my pot size river bet.

A-5

[cubbybri]

I think you could have bet more on flop and a lot more on the turn but the main thing from my experience is to keep your bets mechanical as much as you can.

If you like to fire out continuation bets on the flop than fire them out again like you normally would.

I personally don't think making a turn bet smaller than your flop bet fools too many people. Making a turn bet less than double your flop bet will put some players on alert for a sneaky play. So you have to bet at least double you flop bet. If you have a different read on particular player than you can do what you think is best but you need to get some money out of this hand as they don't come around everyday.

On the river, you than should be able to take their stack. In the end, I guess the agreement is you could have maximized better but gh none the less.

2 cents.

[krup24]

As stated the flop bet and turn bet are very bad

I prefer a C/R here rather than a bet smaller than what you raised pf

[benhoug]

i hate your flop and turn bet.

I couldn't agree more. Your flop bet is a joke. And if that's a joke, your turn bet is even more of one.

Don't shy away from betting just b/c you made a hand. If you want to be sneaky then check to set up a later play, but DO NOT make vagina bets like this. You've pretty much got a hammerlock on this hand, so you could take some risks if you wanted.