KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 On Baseball tonight...here are the top 5 pitchers right now according to Tino Martinez.1. Johan Santana (no problem)2. Roy Halladay (no problem)3. Felix Hernandez (maybe in two years...but for now...no. Just dumb)4. Bartolo Colon (iffy..........good..but I don't know about Top 5)5. Jeremy Bonderman (WTF!??!?!?)What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 On Baseball tonight...here are the top 5 pitchers right now according to Tino Martinez.1. Johan Santana (no problem)2. Roy Halladay (no problem)3. Felix Hernandez (maybe in two years...but for now...no. Just dumb)4. Bartolo Colon (iffy..........good..but I don't know about Top 5)5. Jeremy Bonderman (WTF!??!?!?)What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? Yeah, that's a suspect list, but I'd hate it even more if Zito were on it....and not just because he had a rough outing last night. For the last three years my #1 roto draft rule is to not draft Barry Zito. Jezus...what a waste of a 1,000th post. I figured I'd be good and drunk for the millenium mark, but alas. Link to post Share on other sites
cuddlemonkey 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 On Baseball tonight...here are the top 5 pitchers right now according to Tino Martinez.1. Johan Santana (no problem)2. Roy Halladay (no problem)3. Felix Hernandez (maybe in two years...but for now...no. Just dumb)4. Bartolo Colon (iffy..........good..but I don't know about Top 5)5. Jeremy Bonderman (WTF!??!?!?)What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? That makes sense. I know when I think quality, I think Detroit's number 3 starter. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 That makes sense. I know when I think quality, I think Detroit's number 3 starter. #2 starter this year. And what??? That 4.98 career ERA doesn't impress you!?!? Lol...actually....Bonderman is pretty good for a 23 year old....keeps getting better and better...but not anywhere close to Top 5 yet.Yeah, that's a suspect list, but I'd hate it even more if Zito were on it....and not just because he had a rough outing last night. For the last three years my #1 roto draft rule is to not draft Barry Zito. Jezus...what a waste of a 1,000th post. I figured I'd be good and drunk for the millenium mark, but alas.I don't necessarily put Zito on the list either...but he's far ahead of Bonderman and Hernandez right now. Buerhle should be on that list though, IMO. Severly underrated...and still only 27. Link to post Share on other sites
cuddlemonkey 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 #2 starter this year. And what??? That 4.98 career ERA doesn't impress you!?!? Lol...actually....Bonderman is pretty good for a 23 year old....keeps getting better and better...but not anywhere close to Top 5 yet.I stand corrected. His number are definitely improving. Of course, when you finish out your first season with a winning percentage lower than most people's batting average, there's nowhere to go but up.I'd still take Zito over Bonderman at this moment without hesitation. A few years from now is a different question. Maybe Tino thinks this is Bonderman's breakout year and he wants on the bandwagon early. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 I stand corrected. His number are definitely improving. Of course, when you finish out your first season with a winning percentage lower than most people's batting average, there's nowhere to go but up.I'd still take Zito over Bonderman at this moment without hesitation. A few years from now is a different question. Maybe Tino thinks this is Bonderman's breakout year and he wants on the bandwagon early.Oh yeah...Bonderman is good..but not THAT good. He may be a great pitcher down the road...but he's nowhere close to top 5 or ahead of Zito. I think Tino is kind of an idiot about this actually......list was pretty atrocious. Link to post Share on other sites
pckt10s 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 tino needs a little more work on the camera... a little to robot like for me... Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 tino needs to be hit over the head with the camera... a little to dumbass like for me...FYP Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Mariano Rivera and K-Rod should definitely be on that list. But even if it was a list of the best 5 starters, it still sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 I agree with the top 3 if it's who you would want on your team right now to win a World Series.King Felix is young but his stuff is just filthy.I toss Colon/Bonderman - Lackey is actually the ace of the Angels and I'd go with him and either Randy Johnson or Harden for my 5th pick. If Harden could stay healthy, he'd be my 5th but he hasn't proven that yet. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 If Schilling is over his injury and returns to his 2004 form, he's as good Randy, etc Link to post Share on other sites
forumjp 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 On Baseball tonight...here are the top 5 pitchers right now according to Tino Martinez.1. Johan Santana (no problem)2. Roy Halladay (no problem)3. Felix Hernandez (maybe in two years...but for now...no. Just dumb)4. Bartolo Colon (iffy..........good..but I don't know about Top 5)5. Jeremy Bonderman (WTF!??!?!?)What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? santana - obvioushalladay - obviousfelix - kind of agree...if tino is talking about when a batter goes into the box which pitcher he wouldn't want to face. felix may not have the numbers but his stuff makes a batter look badcolon - i think lackey and escobar has nastier stuff than colonbonderman - lolmy list...probably not worth muchsantanahalladayhardenrandybeckett Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 69 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 my list...probably not worth muchsantanahalladayhardenrandybeckettRandy is a dandy. Screw him. Last year he was 17-8 with a 3.79. Meh.Beckett's first AL start is tomorrow night....can't be considered a good AL pitcher YET. Link to post Share on other sites
forumjp 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Randy is a dandy. Screw him. Last year he was 17-8 with a 3.79. Meh.Beckett's first AL start is tomorrow night....can't be considered a good AL pitcher YET.randy johnson is still a dominating pitcher in my books, i just dont look really highly on stats~can't wait to see how he does against al lineups~ Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 On Baseball tonight...here are the top 5 pitchers right now according to Tino Martinez.1. Johan Santana (no problem)2. Roy Halladay (no problem)3. Felix Hernandez (maybe in two years...but for now...no. Just dumb)4. Bartolo Colon (iffy..........good..but I don't know about Top 5)5. Jeremy Bonderman (WTF!??!?!?)What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? Bonderman is going to be an excellent pitcher. Perhaps Tino was taking potential into account when giving his list. I wouldn't put Zito on a top 10 list. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Um, Roy Oswalt? Herro? I wouldn't put Zito on a top 10 list. Not sure if I would either. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Um, Roy Oswalt? Herro?I'm pretty sure Oswalt is in the NL.SantanaHalladayHardenBuerhleRandy Johnson? I don't know, that 5th spot is wide open. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 I'm pretty sure Oswalt is in the NL. Ah, missed that this was AL only. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ah, missed that this was AL only.Top 5 NLOswaltPedroPeavyCarpenterPrior? Schmidt? Hudson? Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Top 5 NLOswaltPedroPeavyCarpenterPrior? Schmidt? Hudson?First four are solid - the 5th one is toughPrior: Hurt too muchSchmidt: Has lost somethingHudson: Also on the decline, look at those SO ratesI actually would have to choose between C. Zambrano, Sheets or Willis. Patterson and Webb play on bad teams but if they have another good year, I would have to consider them also. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 First four are solid - the 5th one is toughPrior: Hurt too muchSchmidt: Has lost somethingHudson: Also on the decline, look at those SO ratesI actually would have to choose between C. Zambrano, Sheets or Willis. Patterson and Webb play on bad teams but if they have another good year, I would have to consider them also.Oh, Sheets...totally forgot about him. He's my 5th.Billy Beane's decision to trade Hudson and not Zito was in large part due to strike out rates. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 What a horrible list. No Randy Johnson!?!? No Mark Buehrle!?!? No Barry Zito or Rich Harden!?!? No relievers!!?!? Tino only batted against Randy once in his career so maybe he feels he can't gauge his stuff properly.At least he faced King Felix 3 times. Link to post Share on other sites
forumjp 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 top 5 nl1 peavy2 oswalt3 pedro4 zambrano5 sheetsif prior doesn't get hurt every week..he would be on there Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 top 5 nl1 peavy2 oswalt3 pedro4 zambrano5 sheetsif prior doesn't get hurt every week..he would be on thereNot having Carpenter on this list causes you to lose all credibility. His last two years with the Cardinals have been extremely impressive as the #1 guy on the #1 NL team. Not saying he is necessarily #1 on the list, as he's only done it for two years, but he's ahead of Zambrano and Sheets and easily and probably Oswalt too. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Not having Carpenter on this list causes you to lose all credibility. His last two years with the Cardinals have been extremely impressive as the #1 guy on the #1 NL team. Not saying he is necessarily #1 on the list, as he's only done it for two years, but he's ahead of Zambrano and Sheets and easily and probably Oswalt too.I'm a Cub fan and I agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites
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