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[sxz18]

Yesterday I was playing some friendly 4/8 hold'em at a nearby casino when the following hand came up. I'm not quite sure I played it correctly so I would like some input as to how you guys would play it.I was sitting in UTG+1 with T 9 , a great hand in a not so great position. However, the game I was playing in could not have been any better. There were 3 players who were playing no fold'em hold'em and two other players who have never played poker before. There was rarely a pot that was less than six handed. The only person I recognized at my table was another solid regular. In this particular hand, eight players limped and BB raised it. Everyone called and we took the hand nine handed. The flop comes T 3 2 Now it's checked the BB who bets, UTG folds, I call (to try to let people behind me come into the pot as well so if/when I make my flush I get extra bets), four players behind me call. The turn was a 7 , the BB bets again, I call, and this time only one person behind me calls. The river was a Q , a complete blank for my hand. The BB bets again and since this was only his fifth hand of the night, I decided to call and look him up. The player behind me folded and BB turned over A T for a pair of tens with an ace kicker. I threw my hand into the muck, wondering if I played it correctly?Should I have raised it on the flop to eliminate players or should I let players come in behind me? Should I have raised it on the turn?

[Vade]

Unfortunately that A-10 of clubs is going nowhere.Most people will never through away TPTK unless, 4 to a flush comes or something.Ideally, I wouldn't have played a suited connector UTG+1, BUT you said there were a lot of 6 way pots so that's fine.I dunno, I think you have to raise that flop, cause no one's gonna put you on TP and a flush draw. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that the A-10 might even reraise, but putting an opponent on A-10 from the BB, is well, difficult ;)It certainly sounds like you know what you're doing, so I'm sure you came out ahead for the day, right?

[holman3rd]

sxz18 said:

Yesterday I was playing some friendly 4/8 hold'em at a nearby casino when the following hand came up. I'm not quite sure I played it correctly so I would like some input as to how you guys would play it.I was sitting in UTG+1 with T 9 , a great hand in a not so great position. However, the game I was playing in could not have been any better. There were 3 players who were playing no fold'em hold'em and two other players who have never played poker before. There was rarely a pot that was less than six handed. The only person I recognized at my table was another solid regular. In this particular hand, eight players limped and BB raised it. Everyone called and we took the hand nine handed. The flop comes T 3 2 Now it's checked the BB who bets, UTG folds, I call (to try to let people behind me come into the pot as well so if/when I make my flush I get extra bets), four players behind me call. The turn was a 7 , the BB bets again, I call, and this time only one person behind me calls. The river was a Q , a complete blank for my hand. The BB bets again and since this was only his fifth hand of the night, I decided to call and look him up. The player behind me folded and BB turned over A T for a pair of tens with an ace kicker. I threw my hand into the muck, wondering if I played it correctly?Should I have raised it on the flop to eliminate players or should I let players come in behind me? Should I have raised it on the turn?

It's OK to play this type of hand in loose passive games like this. But, UTG+1 i not "not so great position", it's bad position. Personally, I would try to limp with it in later position with several limpers already in the pot.Post flop you gotta raise. You have top pair/weak kicker and a flush draw. You need to try to limit your competition here. Sure, you're drawing to a flush, but it's the 5th nut flush. Also, just calling the initial better's bet doesn't give you any more information about his holding.Turn play is ok.River play is not b/c you shouldn't call just to "look someone up". Your opponent is a fish, so he's betting with something. Unless you think he'd continue to lead with less than top pair, you should fold. I'm not quite sure how big the pot was at that point...might have been worth a crying call due to the size of the pot, but certainly not to "look someone up".

[Ebonwoulfe]

Hmm... 12 outs twice...The only danger here, with so many players in, is someone hanging around with a bigger flush draw. If you think you can get bigger flush draws to fold here, then you should raise. Otherwise, you have terriffic odds to hit the flush and enough players to give you a decent overlay if someone does have the higher flush.If you could get a bigger flush draw to dump it (Q high is about the only likely flush draw possbile that would fold here that you can't beat, I imagine Axs and Kxs are going to hang in the pot), that would be the only reason to raise. As well, if you have top pair with a flush draw, and nobody else has a bigger flush draw, you are almost 50% to win this hand. If more than one person is calling raises on the flop, then you are only gaining money by betting. If you're 1-1 to win the hand, but are getting 3-1 odds on a bet or raise, then BET OR RAISE! You are getting more money in the pot so you a) have odds to chase the river if the turn misses and B) make it more likely that someone will call you down if you do hit the flush or top two because there's so much in the pot. Both of these situations are good for you.And if you miss... well, that's poker.

[wrto4556]

Your goal with this hand is to try and get the most money in the pot on the flop. Personally, I think you played it fine. If the person directly to your left bet instead of the button, you could have C/r, trapping more opponents for two bets. Your hand is winning 50% of the time.

[NormanHaupt]

Well, wrto is the pro here- but, personally, on the flop I don't ever worry about dragging people unless I flop ful lboats- and even then Iget paranoid.I feel I'll make more money online protecting my hand than by stringing along. How many others may have had Ax sooted looking for that?you've got top pair, with great draws. I bet at it. If you're not ahead, redraws look wonderful.But again I'm aggressive as hell.

[Smasharoo]

Raise the flop, cap a three-bet.You're way ahead.

[NormanHaupt]

Smash agrees with me. Be afraid, be very afraid.

[Smasharoo]

Your goal with this hand is to try and get the most money in the pot on the flop. Personally, I think you played it fine. If the person directly to your left bet instead of the button, you could have C/r, trapping more opponents for two bets. Your hand is winning 50% of the time.Pot this big, you want overcards to fold on the flop to increase your chance of taking down with the pair of tens when you miss the flush draw. If they fold overs, good for you. If they all call two bets, you have massive pot equity, good for you. If you let them stay in for one bet, worst of both worlds.

[wrto4556]

Smasharoo said:

Your goal with this hand is to try and get the most money in the pot on the flop. Personally, I think you played it fine. If the person directly to your left bet instead of the button, you could have C/r, trapping more opponents for two bets. Your hand is winning 50% of the time.Pot this big, you want overcards to fold on the flop to increase your chance of taking down with the pair of tens when you miss the flush draw. If they fold overs, good for you. If they all call two bets, you have massive pot equity, good for you. If you let them stay in for one bet, worst of both worlds.

I didn't realize the size of the pot. :?

[holman3rd]

wrto4556 said:

Smasharoo said:

Your goal with this hand is to try and get the most money in the pot on the flop. Personally, I think you played it fine. If the person directly to your left bet instead of the button, you could have C/r, trapping more opponents for two bets. Your hand is winning 50% of the time.Pot this big, you want overcards to fold on the flop to increase your chance of taking down with the pair of tens when you miss the flush draw. If they fold overs, good for you. If they all call two bets, you have massive pot equity, good for you. If you let them stay in for one bet, worst of both worlds.

I didn't realize the size of the pot. :?

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