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[JFarrell20]

Pleeeease don't perpetuate the "all white American's are ra.cist" myth! Come on man, you're better than this. You said something in your journal today (Mar. 3) about "maybe if I was born in this country I'd be a ra.cist, too".UGGGGGGGG. I would never make a generalization about Canada, as I'm sure you'd appreciate it!!!I love you Daniel but come on, man...you know better than to listen to Michael Moore and the media!You may not have gotten robbed, but somehow that man (whether he's black, white, or purple) managed to manipulate you into paying his rent! lol.Sorry, but I gotta defend my "white brothers". Some white people are ra.cist, as are blacks, hispanics, and asians. Please don't imply that all white American's are ra.cist, it's simply untrue.With that being said, I do appreciate your candor in your journal entries. Feel free to continue stating your thoughts.

[Solodell]

It seemed to me he more blamed the media for creating a situation where white people who've never met a black person, or spent much time around any don't have any positive examples of black people. I don't think he was calling all white people racist. Seems like he says the media sucks....something I think we all agree on :wink:

[DanielNegreanu]

You really need to read it again. I didn't call all white people racists. I was alluding to the fact that if you were white and raised in a racist area where there were no black people and only saw them on TV, you'd more than likely be raised with racist thoughts. I didn't say white america was racist at all. I don't think that's true at all. I do think however that it remains a major problem in certain parts of the south and in the heartland. Racism is a major problem in this country for sure, but I never said "all white americans are racist."

[Duff_Man]

DanielNegreanu said:

You really need to read it again. I didn't call all white people racists. I was alluding to the fact that if you were white and raised in a censored area where there were no black people and only saw them on TV, you'd more than likely be raised with censored thoughts."

I can second that notion. For the most part I grew up in a small city (pop. 10,000) in central New York. In my elementary school there was one African-American student. In my senior year there was only one African-American in my class and a total of about 10 in the whole school. it seemed that the majority of the older people in my city were racists and of course that got passed down to their kids. My father was a racists. Luckily for me I lived in Tucson, AZ for four years (6-10 years old) and a lot of my friends were hispanic. My Boy Scout leader was mexican and his son was one of if not my best friends. So I learned early on that skin color don't mean squat. Even though he passed away last year I still have some resentment (sp?) towards my father because he thought he was better than someone jsut because of the color of his skin. Just my thoughtsDuff

[KDawgCometh]

It's a sad fact, but African-American's are judged much differently across the board in America. Look at Barry Bonds, he may or may not have done something illegal, but he is getting a lot of grief and some of it has to do with his skin color, IMO. Mark McGwire admitted to doing Andro during his run, and yet no one asked him about roids. People Andro is a precursor to 'roids, so what do you think big Mac was also doing, yet he was ans still is getting a free pass by the media and public. We have come a long way since the late 50s/early 60s, but we haven't yet come all the way

[BlinkersOn]

Thanks for your post DuffMan...maybe Daniel will read it and note that racism isn't confined to the southern US..hell I bet there's as many racists in Canada and Nevada as there are anywhere. It's not a regional problem it's a worldwide problem. Daniel himself even described the two men who gave him rides by the color of their skin..why was that necessary?

[Vapors]

KDawgCometh said:

It's a sad fact, but African-American's are judged much differently across the board in America. Look at Barry Bonds, he may or may not have done something illegal, but he is getting a lot of grief and some of it has to do with his skin color, IMO. Mark McGwire admitted to doing Andro during his run, and yet no one asked him about roids. People Andro is a precursor to 'roids, so what do you think big Mac was also doing, yet he was ans still is getting a free pass by the media and public. We have come a long way since the late 50s/early 60s, but we haven't yet come all the way

McGwire would be getting a lot more attention if he was still playing. He would also be getting more attention if he was linked to the Balco lab. He would be getting more attention if he was the current record holder in any homerun stat. The Andro (a supplement, not a steroid) he took was legal in both the US and in baseball. Was Andro enough to get him as big as he was/is? I have no idea. He just hasn't been linked to anything illegal yet and since Bonds has, people talk about him more. I am sure McGwire would be under the microscope if he was still playing. And if Giambi was the one chasing Arron he would be talked about a lot more.I think a lot more players took steroids than we know. In time, if the numbers (homeruns, etc) start falling with the new testing, then we might have a little indirect proof of it.And I agree that racism is in lots of places and not just confined to white people.

[BilliardsBoy]

I agree with everyone on this thread because while I do believe some racism exists, I also believe that racism is nearing its death and that while people may have preconcieved notions about other races they don't act on those ideas and are receptive to experiencing others.To me its kinda like this:I have two brothers, 11 and 10, and I bet the older one (Mike) that Lorenzos on South Street had giant pizza slices. To make with the bet, he had to buy me and Bob and himself a slice if I was right (just an excuse to take them out to do something). Its the nite before Halloween, but I don't care and take them there, but warn them they may see some freaky people and to not get scared or stare (cmon, Mischief nite on South St. in Philly :shock: ). Anyway, we park and start walking, and a couple of kids pass us riding bikes, maybe only 14 or so, and black. Mikey goes "Oh man, what the heck are they doing out right now? Wonder what THEY are doing." I was a little taken back, so I simply explained that this is where they live, and that they're no different than any of us. I asked him if he had ever seen kids riding to friends houses in the evening or nite back home and that that was what they were probably doing.The thing was, they weren't scared. I personally don't really notice race, or even care about where I am. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is just like everyone else regardless of where they live or how they look. But while they weren't scared, they did think that the kids on bikes were different. That's what many people are like, in the US and in probably every country in the world. I think the fear is gone, but some of the ignorance is still there. You see a rap video or a TV show and think that that is how "those people" act. I think that this area of ignorance is steadily shrinking every day as each generation learns more than the preceding about how the world works.

[chuckf410]

BlinkersOn said:

Daniel himself even described the two men who gave him rides by the color of their skin..why was that necessary?

Well Danny just had to make the point that he's not a racist nor does he even consider skin color unless it's to realize the overall injustice that it does to a group when skin color is noted.This is also a large part of why I don't watch movies or TV too often anymore. You know who the bad guy is from the start, just look for the rich white businessman. If the character has any other skintone, s/he's been misguided, misjudged, or a victim of 'hate' growing up. (unless the agressor and victim are the same skin color) And your movie/show will be protested if a minority is the bad guy. Just look at '24'. KS had to do the public service notice after groups complained about the 'bad guys' being of mid east decent.

[yeffy]

JFarrell20 said:

Pleeeease don't perpetuate the "all white American's are ra.cist" myth!  Come on man, you're better than this.  You said something in your journal today (Mar. 3) about "maybe if I was born in this country I'd be a ra.cist, too".UGGGGGGGG.  I would never make a generalization about Canada, as I'm sure you'd appreciate it!!!I love you Daniel but come on, man...you know better than to listen to Michael Moore and the media!You may not have gotten robbed, but somehow that man (whether he's black, white, or purple) managed to manipulate you into paying his rent!  lol.Sorry, but I gotta defend my "white brothers".  Some white people are ra.cist, as are blacks, hispanics, and asians.  Please don't imply that all white American's are ra.cist, it's simply untrue.With that being said, I do appreciate your candor in your journal entries.  Feel free to continue stating your thoughts.

Some white people are ra cist....and some are anti-semitic:http://www.fullconta...opic.php?t=3451

[JFarrell20]

You really want me to say I'm against Jews, don't you? Man, get over it dude. I'm not anti-semitic.I just went to Barry Greenstein's site and emailed him to say that I think he should play "Like a Rock" by Bob Seger for Dan Harrington's player profile. That's it.Nowhere did I say anything about Judaism. I find it hard to believe an anti-semite could send such a casual email to a known Jew.Seriously, knock it off Yeffy. You are the only one perpetuating that thread.

[KDawgCometh]

Vapors said:

KDawgCometh said:

It's a sad fact, but African-American's are judged much differently across the board in America. Look at Barry Bonds, he may or may not have done something illegal, but he is getting a lot of grief and some of it has to do with his skin color, IMO. Mark McGwire admitted to doing Andro during his run, and yet no one asked him about roids. People Andro is a precursor to 'roids, so what do you think big Mac was also doing, yet he was ans still is getting a free pass by the media and public. We have come a long way since the late 50s/early 60s, but we haven't yet come all the way

McGwire would be getting a lot more attention if he was still playing. He would also be getting more attention if he was linked to the Balco lab. He would be getting more attention if he was the current record holder in any homerun stat. The Andro (a supplement, not a steroid) he took was legal in both the US and in baseball. Was Andro enough to get him as big as he was/is? I have no idea. He just hasn't been linked to anything illegal yet and since Bonds has, people talk about him more. I am sure McGwire would be under the microscope if he was still playing. And if Giambi was the one chasing Arron he would be talked about a lot more.I think a lot more players took steroids than we know. In time, if the numbers (homeruns, etc) start falling with the new testing, then we might have a little indirect proof of it.And I agree that racism is in lots of places and not just confined to white people.

There were plenty of questions in 98 about McGwire and roids, but they got swept underneath the carpet because since he played for USA basball in 84 he was tabbed the AllAmerican boy. Bonds' problem in this situation is that he is and always has been a surly prick to the media. I think that race does play a part in his chase. His father was not a small built man by any means, we just keep on looking at Barry from when he was 22. Barry was in the majors at a very young age as he spent barely anytime i the minors after he was drafted out of ASU at the age of 20. He doesn't look any smaller this season like Jason Giambi did last year. I'd like to point out that I am a WASP. Andro is a precursor to roids and it was well known what Andro was really for. I'm just pointing out some disparities that don't neccessarily get percieved by the public. Barry was a HOFer well before this current Homer glut as he was the first ever 400-400 man and was on pace to hit well into the 500s. As far as the roids issue goes, the first thought that came to my mind when Camanitti spoke up about them was Brady Anderson. He had never hit more than 25 in a season and yet all of a sudden out of nowhere he hit 52 and then went back into obscurity. He is and always will be the main guy I feel did roids

[jakoye]

KDawgCometh said:

Look at Barry Bonds, he may or may not have done something illegal, but he is getting a lot of grief and some of it has to do with his skin color, IMO. Mark McGwire admitted to doing Andro during his run, and yet no one asked him about roids.

I think bigger factors that explain why there is a lot of grief for Bonds and not McGwire is because A) Bonds is still playing and B) Bonds is pretty much a jack-a-s-s when it comes to personality. Racism may play a part, but I think it's smaller than you assert, at least in this situation. Certainly Giambi is getting a lot of grief too and he even admitted steroid use, which the other two have refused to do.

[jakoye]

DanielNegreanu said:

I don't think that's true at all.  I do think however that it remains a major problem in certain parts of the south and in the heartland.

I don't know, Mr. Negreanu. The South is where the majority of black people live. I think race relations there are probably better than in other places (such as the big cities of the East and Midwest) because there are so many black people there and black and whites aren't as intensely segreated into separate neighborhoods as they are in Boston, New York, Cinncinati, LA, etc., etc.I know the South has a stereotype attached to it and an awful history when it comes to race relations, but I think you'd be surprised by the progress that has been made there. Just like any stereotype on a group of people, you shouldn't automatically buy into stereotypes on regions either.

[KDawgCometh]

jakoye said:

KDawgCometh said:

Look at Barry Bonds, he may or may not have done something illegal, but he is getting a lot of grief and some of it has to do with his skin color, IMO. Mark McGwire admitted to doing Andro during his run, and yet no one asked him about roids.

I think bigger factors that explain why there is a lot of grief for Bonds and not McGwire is because A) Bonds is still playing and B) Bonds is pretty much a jack-censored when it comes to personality. Racism may play a part, but I think it's smaller than you assert, at least in this situation. Certainly Giambi is getting a lot of grief too and he even admitted steroid use, which the other two have refused to do.

the thing we don't know is what kind of mail Barry might be getting. We didn't know about the death threats the Hammerin Hank got until a few years ago. Barry could very well be going through these things too, just we wouldn't know about it. The racism today is much more subtle than it was 30/40 years ago and I do feel that race plays a bigger part in this then we'd like to think. I personally don't feel that Barry "knowingly" took roids. I put knowingly in quotes because he probably didn't want to know that what he was being given is more than likely very shady

[PWetz00]

I'll second that one jakoye. I suppose you could say I'm an open-minded, accepting 22 year old college student.Living in the upper midwest, and away from the Milwaukee/Chicago area.... the older population seems to shy away from anything dealing with the slowly growing minority population.I have never been to the South, so I can only believe what you had to say about relations in the southern states.Our county board (with an average age well in the 50's), nearly passed a resolution last year that would have enforced the english language as the "official language" of the county. One board member was quoted in the media as basically referring to the fact that the population here simply does not want to "deal" with these changes in society.I thought at first it was to maintain consistency with records in regard to the business of government, however the statements from the individuals who authored these ideas gave quite the impression that there was a deeper meaning behind the resolution. I found it extremely obscene, as I'm sure many others who read this post would. I'll end this by saying that I do not personally believe that racism will ever go away. It is a very, very sad situation... but I do not believe this will ever come to rest throughout the world.

[BlinkersOn]

PWetz00 said:

I have never been to the South, so I can only believe what you had to say about relations in the southern states.

So you're willing to base your understanding of the south on a statement made by a Canadian, who except for a trip to a Tunica casino, has never spent any time here?

[RonBurgundy]

JFarrell20 said:

I just went to Barry Greenstein's site and emailed him to say that I think he should play "Like a Rock" by Bob Seger for Dan Harrington's player profile.  

How about "Somebody's Watching Me" by Rockwell for Eric Seidel and his case of paranoia?

[KDawgCometh]

for Jen Harmon, he should have "she's got skillz" or "short people"

[JFarrell20]

This is a strange thread.. partly about race, and partly about steroids. lol. Bonds admitted to "unknowingly" taking steroids when he thought the cream and the clear was flaxseed oil for arthritis. This is hogwash. This is a guy who can tell you his exact caloric intake per day, yet took something for years that he thought was for arthritis, when really it was steroids? I mean, come on.go to google and type in "Barry bonds through the years"There is a DISTINCT change in his body size/shape from 1998 to 1999. 2000 is just gross. If you are not 100% certain after viewing these photos then I don't know what to tell you.As far as people saying they don't want Barry to break the record being racist... I don't get it. The record is held by an African-American in Hank Aaron. The only record Big Mac broke has already been eclipsed by Bonds, so nobody cares about Big Mac. Plus he's retired, and he was media friendly. I mean it all adds up. McGwire's career is no longer a factor. Bonds has ascended to legendary stature. How are baseball purists (like myself) supposed to sleep at night with the burning question of "How legendary was Barry Bonds?"?All that said, Bonds was a hall of famer without taking steroids, so I think he still gets a pass to the Hall.