Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is Button with [Qh], [Kc]. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (10.33 SB) [Jd], [As], [Ah] (5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.Turn: (6.66 BB) [2s] (3 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raisesI dont think many will have a problem with preflop.He's 40/25/1 after 100 hands roughly.Guy who bet the turn is 19/7/2. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 What does raising the turn accomplish? The only fold equity you have is against a jack, but in that situation you can call profitably, so why risk raising?Every other time you are getting ****ed because you're often going to be calling three-bets (because they will, and you'll have to call) and a lot of the time you will be drawing dead. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 How often do you think someone has an ace?The PFR virtually never does. I dont know how often the other guy does. Im guessing probably only half the time, roughly. People will fold almost any non-ace pair, dont you think? I mean, unless it includes a flush draw. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I think some people (opponent dependant of course) are looking you up with a jack, but probably more often folding.Nonetheless, we need two folds here on this turn (or have the best hand) more than 2/7.66 times, or 26% of the time. (We don't need to be good 3/8.66 times because I wouldn't bet the river. No better hand is folding, nor worse hand calling.)19/7/2 are fairly solid stats. You basically have to hope that ~1/4 times he's donking a flush draw or straight draw, and I think that's highly optimistic thinking. You also have to worry about UTG+1 because he could be looking to c/r with trips (only god knows why, but it happens). Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 I think some people (opponent dependant of course) are looking you up with a jack, but probably more often folding.Nonetheless, we need two folds here on this turn (or have the best hand) more than 2/7.66 times, or 26% of the time. (We don't need to be good 3/8.66 times because I wouldn't bet the river. No better hand is folding, nor worse hand calling.)19/7/2 are fairly solid stats. You basically have to hope that ~1/4 times he's donking a flush draw or straight draw, and I think that's highly optimistic thinking. You also have to worry about UTG+1 because he could be looking to c/r with trips (only god knows why, but it happens).What about something like 88, 99 or 1010? And lower pairs too, probably.9 to 10 outs against 33 through 1010 and a J, basically. I dont think he shows down a jack all that often... but if/when he does, im going to win about 20% of the time and get value when i make a straight, check behind otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 What about something like 88, 99 or 1010? And lower pairs too, probably.9 to 10 outs against 33 through 1010 and a J, basically. I dont think he shows down a jack all that often... but if/when he does, im going to win about 20% of the time and get value when i make a straight, check behind otherwise.Most of those are folding the flop, I would think.And in the situations against determined pocket pairs I think calling is better because that will still, most of the time, leave us the option to bluff the river when we don't improve.Anyway, it seems a lot closer than initially. Link to post Share on other sites
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