Smasharoo 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 The GoalTo turn $50 in my first Pokerstars deposit into $1000.The RulesI'll play only Limit games, primarily Holdem, though I might mix in some O8 or Stud etc. later on.I won't move up in limits without at least 300BB for the new limit. I will post hands that I win and lose and explain my thinking behind how I played them.I'm too lazy to spellcheck. Deal with it.Day 28, Fold equity saves me from the ugly end of the variance curve.I'm really not very happy with the table selection at Stars in terms of .50/$1 tables, especially in the morning. Well, when I wake up really, about Noon.There were only 5 full tables of .50/$1 running, and I five table, so I was stuck on a couple of rock gardens and a couple of loosish tables and one that was close to tight/agressive that I probably shouldn't have even bothered with. When I say rock gardens, I mean the see flop percentage was under 20% much of the time I was there. Now, I can play in tight games. I make money in them. I can play in loose games, and I make more money in them. I can even play in tight/agresive games and make money in them, but not as much and it's of course harder as you'd expect.I got beat up pretty bad at the loose tables, and AA was particularly mean to me. I'm not going to raise them anymore, what's the point, they allways get sucked out on!Just kidding.Some hands:From the good table:Dealt to thecandle [Jd Kd]pokrlosr: folds Platnum: folds troutbo: folds Magellan420: folds dominiksdad: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1pokerweeney: folds backbonz: calls $0.50KJs on the button first in is a very easy raise. Fold equity is high, it's very likely the best hand against a random BB hand.*** FLOP *** [4s 7d Td]backbonz: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1backbonz: raises $0.50 to $1.50thecandle: calls $0.50He bets, I raise for a free card, he either has a strong hand, thinks I'm being a bully or figures it's a free card play and three-bets. I call.*** TURN *** [4s 7d Td] [Jc]backbonz: bets $1thecandle: calls $1I hit one of my overcards, he bets, I think about raising but aren't keen to call a three-bet here to I just call.*** RIVER *** [4s 7d Td Jc] [6d]backbonz: checks thecandle: bets $1backbonz: folds thecandle collected $7 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand My flush gets there, he correctly checks, I correctly bet out, he correctly folds. Which is a shame, I'd like to have seen what he had to understand his plays here better, but I imagine it was something like KT/AT. It'd be intresting to see if he'd have laid down two pair here... Same table:Dealt to thecandle [Kc Td]backbonz: folds pokrlosr: folds Platnum: folds troutbo: calls $0.50Magellan420: folds dominiksdad: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: calls $0.25pokerweeney: checks I complete with KTo in the SB with one limper in and the BB checks.*** FLOP *** [4c Ks 6s]thecandle: checks pokerweeney: checks troutbo: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1pokerweeney: folds troutbo: calls $0.50Limper bets out, I raise TP, he calls.*** TURN *** [4c Ks 6s] [7h]thecandle: bets $1troutbo: calls $1I bet, he calls.*** RIVER *** [4c Ks 6s 7h] [6c]thecandle: checks troutbo: checksI decide seeing this showdown for free isn't a bad idea, as it's just KT and he bet out and called a raise. If he's missed a spade draw or something I don't think I get the extra bet and if he had some funky semi-draw like 56s or something, I don't pay off a raise. I also probably get a check behind from KJ and mayne KQ here, allthgouh I think he'd have raised PF with KQ.Betting out here probably has some value, really, but it's close. I decided to check, I wouldn't have gotten paid off in this particular case. *** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Kc Td] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)troutbo: mucks hand thecandle collected $5.25 from potHe had A5s.From one of the looser, fishier, tables:Dealt to thecandle [Kh Ad]Golden_sun: folds sqirel7986: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1April03: folds olig5: folds Hogsbreath: calls $1skagit_us: folds manlikepd: calls $1mjpjhiggins: folds mjpjhiggins is sitting outkoba777: folds I raise from early mioddle and get two cold calls.*** FLOP *** [5d Kd 4d]thecandle: bets $0.50Hogsbreath: raises $0.50 to $1manlikepd: calls $1thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50Hogsbreath: calls $0.50manlikepd: calls $0.50All diamond flop, I have TPTK and the nut one card flush draw.I bet out, player behind me, who's raised every coordinated board I bet into and shown down some junk, raises so I three bet.Everybody calls.*** TURN *** [5d Kd 4d] [9c]thecandle: bets $1Hogsbreath: calls $1manlikepd: calls $1I bet, no raise this time, I'm very likely way ahead.*** RIVER *** [5d Kd 4d 9c] [4h]thecandle: bets $1Hogsbreath: calls $1manlikepd: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Kh Ad] (two pair, Kings and Fours)Hogsbreath: mucks hand manlikepd: mucks hand thecandle collected $13.75 from poBet, call, call.Two KT's./shrug.From one of the rock gardens:Dealt to thecandle [9d 9s]Magellan420: calls $0.50Evergreen: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1pokerweeney: folds backbonz: folds pokrlosr: folds PineRidge16: folds troutbo: folds Magellan420: calls $0.50I raise 99 against one limper from MP, which is an almost guranteed isolation on this table.*** FLOP *** [Jh Jc 2h]Magellan420: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Magellan420: folds thecandle collected $2.75 from potI bet out and pick it up.Dealt to thecandle [Ah As]manlikepd: calls $0.50mjpjhiggins: folds koba777: folds Golden_sun: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50April03: folds olig5: folds Hogsbreath: folds skagit_us: folds manlikepd: folds Golden_sun: calls $0.50Limp, raise, on the good table, I three-bet with AA. One fold to two cold, the raise, who I have position on, calls.*** FLOP *** [9h 8c 4s]Golden_sun: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Golden_sun: folds thecandle collected $4.25 from potAK probably.Same table:Dealt to thecandle [Ks Kh]thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds backbonz: folds koba777: folds mybuddyherky: folds Superfly1: folds Nebgonf: calls $0.75dborelli joins the table at seat #2 KingConn: folds I raise KK UTG, SB calls 1.5 cold.*** FLOP *** [5c 7h 8d]Nebgonf: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Nebgonf: folds thecandle collected $2.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand I bet out, he folds.From the rock gardens:Dealt to thecandle [Ad 5c]backbonz: folds pokrlosr: folds PineRidge16: folds troutbo: folds Evergreen: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds Magellan420 has returnedthecandle: raises $0.50 to $1pokerweeney: folds thecandle collected $1 from potthecandle: doesn't show handStandard SB steal.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ah Ac]Golden_sun: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1April03: folds olig5: folds Hogsbreath: folds skagit_us: folds manlikepd: calls $1mjpjhiggins: folds koba777: folds AA raise UTG, button calls and it's heads up.*** FLOP *** [5d 7d Jd]thecandle: bets $0.50manlikepd: calls $0.50Heads up I'm not slowing down on this flop, if a 4th diamond hits, I will.*** TURN *** [5d 7d Jd] [4h]thecandle: bets $1manlikepd: calls $1*** RIVER *** [5d 7d Jd 4h] [Ks]thecandle: bets $1manlikepd: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)manlikepd: mucks hand thecandle collected $7.50 from potHe had K8o, no diamond.I really needed more of this type of player on the tables this morning. Dealt to thecandle [8h 8c]thecandle: calls $0.50Golden_sun: folds backbonz: calls $0.50koba777: folds mybuddyherky: folds Superfly1: raises $0.50 to $1Nebgonf: folds KingConn: calls $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50backbonz: calls $0.50I lim with 88 UTG on the loose table, it ends up raised and 4 handed. Not ideal, but what can you do.*** FLOP *** [2h 4d 2d]KingConn: checks thecandle: bets $0.50backbonz: raises $0.50 to $1Superfly1: folds KingConn: folds thecandle: calls $0.50I'm reasonably sure this is free card play or an outright play from the BB at a paired board. He could have the 2 too I suppose.*** TURN *** [2h 4d 2d] [Tc]thecandle: checks backbonz: checksHe get's the free card. I figure since he didn't bet this turn he probably has a medium flush draw and plan to bet the river if any non A, non diamond hits. *** RIVER *** [2h 4d 2d Tc] [8d]thecandle: bets $1backbonz: raises $1 to $2thecandle: raises $1 to $3backbonz: folds thecandle collected $9.75 from potOf course, that's ok too.Rock garden:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [8s 8c]Magellan420: folds Evergreen: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1backbonz: folds PineRidge16: folds troutbo: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Raising 88 because I want it heads up or to win the blinds. Standard play in a rocky game.Looser table, notice it's like playing two completely diffrent games. Which can be a pain when five tabling, but it didn't mess with me too much.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ac Td]Steepwater: folds April03: folds komatsu364: folds e4e5Nf3Nf6: calls $0.50Papabear20: folds bizzonus: calls $0.50AmineR: calls $0.50koba777: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Golden_sun: checks I complete with AT in the SB. Do people raise here? I might be able to be convinced it's +EV. At the moment, I don't though.*** FLOP *** [5d Ad Ah]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: bets $0.50e4e5Nf3Nf6: folds bizzonus: folds AmineR: calls $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50I check/call figuring I'll go for the elusive river check/raise here.I must have gone slightly retarded or something.*** TURN *** [5d Ad Ah] [6s]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: bets $1AmineR: calls $1thecandle: calls $1Not raising here is so bad it pains me to look at it.*** RIVER *** [5d Ad Ah 6s] [Jc]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: checks AmineR: checksGah.Can I have the 2 or 3 or 4 bukcs that I lost by being an idiot back now? *** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ac Td] (three of a kind, Aces)Golden_sun: mucks hand AmineR: mucks hand thecandle collected $6.75 from potOh well, can't play every hand in 400 perfectly.Dealt to thecandle [8d 8c]Papabear20: raises $0.50 to $1bizzonus: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: folds April03: folds komatsu364: folds e4e5Nf3Nf6: folds Papabear20: calls $0.50EP raise, I three-bet to isolate, he just calls meaning I'm probably looking at two big cards and not an overpair.*** FLOP *** [4d 6c 5c]Papabear20: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Papabear20: calls $0.50He bets, I raise, thinking I have to be best here. He calls.*** TURN *** [4d 6c 5c] [Td]Papabear20: checks thecandle: checks I dunno, I should have bet. I decide to give him two free cards for no particular reason and check it down. This is why I shouldn't play when I just woke up.*** RIVER *** [4d 6c 5c Td] [6s]Papabear20: checks thecandle: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***Papabear20: shows [Jh Kh] (a pair of Sixes)thecandle: shows [8d 8c] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)thecandle collected $5.50 from potmeh.Dealt to thecandle [Ac Kd]VERYBIGWIL: folds Golden_sun: folds sqirel7986: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1April03: folds olig5: calls $1Hogsbreath: folds skagit_us: folds manlikepd: folds mjpjhiggins: calls $0.50I raise with AK in MP, get two calers.*** FLOP *** [7d Ad Tc]mjpjhiggins: checks thecandle: bets $0.50olig5: raises $0.50 to $1mjpjhiggins: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50olig5: calls $0.50I bet into a non scary flop, he raises, I three bet.*** TURN *** [7d Ad Tc] [3s]thecandle: bets $1olig5: calls $1*** RIVER *** [7d Ad Tc 3s] [6s]thecandle: bets $1olig5: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ac Kd] (a pair of Aces)olig5: mucks hand thecandle collected $9.75 from potBet, call, bet, call, my AK beats his AQ.Rock garden pure steal attempt that works out ok:Dealt to thecandle [Tc 9c]mjpjhiggins: folds VERYBIGWIL: folds Golden_sun: folds sqirel7986: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1April03: folds olig5: folds Hogsbreath: folds skagit_us: calls $0.75manlikepd: calls $0.50I raise from middle looking to pick up the blinds with 9To.*** FLOP *** [7c 4d Th]skagit_us: checks manlikepd: checks thecandle: bets $0.50skagit_us: calls $0.50manlikepd: calls $0.50Miraculously flop TP, who says crime doesn't pay?*** TURN *** [7c 4d Th] [Jh]skagit_us: checks manlikepd: checks thecandle: bets $1skagit_us: folds manlikepd: folds thecandle collected $4.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show handI bet out again and pick it up on the turn. *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Td Th]Golden_sun: raises $0.50 to $1bdick: folds sqirel7986: folds koba777: folds jonas3: folds mybuddyherky: folds baci: folds Nebgonf: folds KingConn: folds thecandle: calls $0.50I call an UTG raise wtih TT in the BB. I could three-bet here, but a raise that early doesn't fill me with glee.*** FLOP *** [2s 6c Kc]thecandle: bets $0.50Golden_sun: folds thecandle collected $2.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand It's a tight table, so bet out figuring I'm about to find out if it's AK/KK/AA or something that I'm ahead of. I'd guess AQ.Dealt to thecandle [As Ks]Golden_sun: raises $0.50 to $1koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50pokerweeney: folds backbonz: folds Dacoops3: folds ALL_IN_ONIE: folds ALL_IN_ONIE said, "crazinest"troutbo: folds Superfly1: folds Golden_sun: calls $0.50I three-bet AK after another raise UTG, which I'm starting to respect less and less from this guy.*** FLOP *** [6c 6s 7c]Golden_sun: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Golden_sun: folds thecandle collected $3.75 from potthecandle: doesn't show handSure seems to let go of hands on the flop quickly. *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Tc Qs]ALL_IN_ONIE: calls $0.50troutbo: folds Superfly1: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: calls $0.50pokerweeney: folds backbonz: calls $0.25Dacoops3: checks I lim with QT in the CO.*** FLOP *** [Qc 8h 2s]backbonz: checks Dacoops3: checks ALL_IN_ONIE: checks thecandle: bets $0.50backbonz: folds Dacoops3: folds ALL_IN_ONIE: calls $0.50Checked to me, I bet, one caler. You'd think he probably has a Q or an 8 or at least 9T or something, no?*** TURN *** [Qc 8h 2s] [Jh]ALL_IN_ONIE: checks thecandle: bets $1ALL_IN_ONIE: calls $1I bet, he calls. Probably not 9T, unless he's cunningly waiting untll the river to raise, like I foolishly did with the trip aces.*** RIVER *** [Qc 8h 2s Jh] [8s]ALL_IN_ONIE: checks thecandle: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***ALL_IN_ONIE: shows [3s Js] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)thecandle: shows [Tc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)thecandle collected $4.75 from potMeh. 8 on the river is a little scary, so I check it. WEAK!!! Again, early morning, drinking coffee, flods, locusts, it's not my fault!!!*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ad Kh]backbonz: folds Dacoops3: folds ALL_IN_ONIE: folds troutbo: folds Superfly1: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1pokerweeney: folds thecandle collected $1 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand meh.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [As Kh]Golden_sun: calls $0.50koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1backbonz: folds Robshev: folds Platnum: folds troutbo: folds Magellan420: calls $0.75dominiksdad: folds Golden_sun: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [7c 4d 7h]Magellan420: checks Golden_sun: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Magellan420: folds Golden_sun: folds thecandle collected $3.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Meh.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qh Qd]Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: folds April03: folds Platnum: folds T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: folds Sirene: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle collected $0.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Bah.Dealt to thecandle [Qh Qd]KUTKE: folds hitting hard: folds Monoatomic: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50engine32: folds koba777: folds capone151: calls $1.50Robshev: folds TerpsHoops: folds Monoatomic: calls $0.50Three-bet QQ, gets heads up against the raiser.*** FLOP *** [7h Th Kh]Monoatomic: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50All hearts and an overcard, butI have the Qh.capone151: folds *** TURN *** [7h Th Kh] [Js]Monoatomic: bets $1thecandle: calls $1And a straight draw.*** RIVER *** [7h Th Kh Js] [Ac]Monoatomic: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2Monoatomic said, "gotta love those queens comign through"Monoatomic said, "or were you slow playing that flush"Monoatomic: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Qh Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)Monoatomic: mucks hand thecandle collected $11.75 from potYeah, gotta love it. Your AJ is behind the whole hand, on every stret, Sparky. Seat 3: Monoatomic mucked [Jd Ad]Amazing what people find to complain about. *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Kc Qc]AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: folds April03: folds Platnum: folds T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: folds Sirene: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Meh.Adds up though.Dealt to thecandle [Tc Ad]backbonz: folds koba777: folds Chidad: calls $0.50mybuddyherky: folds Superfly1: folds Nebgonf: calls $0.50albyke: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Golden_sun: checks Complete in the SB with AT.*** FLOP *** [Qs 4c Kd]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: checks Chidad: checks Nebgonf: checksChecked around. I might consider raising here if the button bets. In fact, I probably do.*** TURN *** [Qs 4c Kd] [Ah]thecandle: bets $1Golden_sun: folds Chidad: calls $1Nebgonf: foldsCatch an A and bet, one caller. *** RIVER *** [Qs 4c Kd Ah] [Jd]thecandle: bets $1Chidad: raises $1 to $2thecandle: raises $1 to $3Chidad: raises $1 to $4Betting is cappedthecandle: calls $1Make the nuts, and bet it, he raises, I three-bet, he caps, I figure it's KT or QT or something.*** SHOW DOWN ***Chidad: shows [4s Js] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)thecandle: shows [Tc Ad] (a straight, Ten to Ace)thecandle collected $11.50 from potBut no.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Td 6c]pokerweeney: folds backbonz: folds Robshev: folds Platnum: folds troutbo: folds Magellan420: folds dominiksdad: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle collected $0.50 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand yay.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [5h Kh]thecandle said, "great hand"April03: folds Platnum: folds T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: folds rusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Standard button steal.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [8h Ac]pokerweeney: folds backbonz: calls $0.50pokrlosr: folds Platnum: calls $0.50troutbo: folds pokrlosr leaves the tableMagellan420: folds dominiksdad: folds Golden_sun: folds koba777: folds thecandle: checks Free flop with A8 in the BB. Good thing no one raised pre-flop.*** FLOP *** [8c Ah 2d]thecandle: bets $0.50backbonz: folds Platnum: calls $0.50I bet out, he calls.*** TURN *** [8c Ah 2d] [2h]thecandle: bets $1Platnum: raises $1 to $2thecandle: calls $1I bet out, he raises, I call.*** RIVER *** [8c Ah 2d 2h] [4d]thecandle: checks Platnum: bets $1thecandle: calls $1I check call it on the river, figuring I'm going to see 2x or a set turned full or whatnot.*** SHOW DOWN ***Platnum: shows [Ad Qh] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)thecandle: shows [8h Ac] (two pair, Aces and Eights)Robshev joins the table at seat #7 Robshev is sitting outthecandle collected $8.50 from potBut no. Cunning of you to limp with AQ, let me flop two pair instead of folding, then doubly cunnig to raise me with AQ on the turn.Hard to beat players this clever.** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [As Ts]Papabear20: folds rusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: folds Platnum: folds T.Undertaker: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show handmeh.Dealt to thecandle [Jd Kh]baci: folds T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: folds baci leaves the tablerusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds Platnum joins the table at seat #7 thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: calls $0.50JK onthe button, I raise, figuring I'll pick up the blinds.*** FLOP *** [5d 6d Th]Steepwater: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Steepwater: calls $0.50I bet, he calls.*** TURN *** [5d 6d Th] [5c]Steepwater: checks thecandle: checksI decide checking behind with K high isn't so bad here. *** RIVER *** [5d 6d Th 5c] [Ks]Steepwater: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2Steepwater: folds thecandle collected $5 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand K hits the river, he bets, I raise, he folds. It'd bring me great joy if that was KQ or something, but I imagine he was just takig a shot at it.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [8h 8s]koba777: folds Golden_sun: folds sqirel7986: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1olig5: calls $1Hogsbreath: folds skagit_us: folds skagit_us leaves the tablemanlikepd: folds mjpjhiggins: folds I raise from Mp, get one caller.*** FLOP *** [4s 5h 9s]thecandle: bets $0.50olig5: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: calls $0.50Bet out, he raises, I call. Ussualy a flush draw or an overpair. I'll let it go on the turn if he bets again.*** TURN *** [4s 5h 9s] [4h]thecandle: checks KingConn joins the table at seat #7 olig5: checksI figure it's probably a flush draw at this point, but it could be a weak tight TT/JJ or something. *** RIVER *** [4s 5h 9s 4h] [4d]thecandle: checks olig5: checks /meh. I don't know how much value there is in betting out here. He might call with an A, he'll almost definately raise with a better pair and probably just fold most of the time.*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [8h 8s] (a full house, Fours full of Eights)olig5: shows [Ks As] (three of a kind, Fours)thecandle collected $4.75 from pot Three bet that, bet the flop, I probably fold./shrug.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Th 4h]Steepwater: folds baci: calls $0.50T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: calls $0.50rusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Golden_sun: checks *** FLOP *** [7d 8h 2h]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: checks baci: bets $0.50Papabear20: folds thecandle: calls $0.50Golden_sun: folds *** TURN *** [7d 8h 2h] [As]thecandle: checks baci: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** RIVER *** [7d 8h 2h As] [9h]thecandle: checks baci: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2baci: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Th 4h] (a flush, Ten high)baci: mucks hand thecandle collected $8.75 from potWhy I complete with any two suited in the SB.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Th 4h]Steepwater: folds baci: calls $0.50T.Undertaker: folds Papabear20: calls $0.50rusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Golden_sun: checks *** FLOP *** [7d 8h 2h]thecandle: checks Golden_sun: checks baci: bets $0.50Papabear20: folds thecandle: calls $0.50Golden_sun: folds *** TURN *** [7d 8h 2h] [As]thecandle: checks baci: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** RIVER *** [7d 8h 2h As] [9h]thecandle: checks baci: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2baci: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Th 4h] (a flush, Ten high)baci: mucks hand thecandle collected $8.75 from potStop and go with flopped trips that I think get's me an extra bet when he hits the A, but he might call the turn, who knows. I was mixing it up a little more on the tighter tables trying to squeeze out a few more bets.Dealt to thecandle [Td 9d]April03: calls $0.50T.Undertaker: folds bobbie16: folds albyke: folds manlikepd: calls $0.50koba777: folds sqirel7986: folds thecandle: checks *** FLOP *** [3s 9h 9c]thecandle: checks April03: checks manlikepd: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50April03: folds *** TURN *** [3s 9h 9c] [8d]thecandle: checks manlikepd: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2manlikepd: calls $1*** RIVER *** [3s 9h 9c 8d] [Ac]thecandle: bets $1manlikepd: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Td 9d] (three of a kind, Nines)manlikepd: mucks hand thecandle collected $8.50 from potBB flop trips special.I never get action with quads:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ts Tc]thecandle said, "hahah"T.Undertaker: folds pokerhancho: folds Sirene: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle said, "naturally"thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Steepwater: calls $1April03: folds Platnum: folds I raise TT first in, one caller.*** FLOP *** [Qs Qd 9h]thecandle: bets $0.50Steepwater: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: calls $0.50I bet, he raises, I call, mainly because I think he'd raise any two cards on this flop.*** TURN *** [Qs Qd 9h] [Th]thecandle: bets $1Steepwater: calls $1I turn a FH and bet out, he just calls.*** RIVER *** [Qs Qd 9h Th] [Td]thecandle: bets $1Steepwater: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ts Tc] (four of a kind, Tens)Steepwater: mucks hand thecandle collected $8.50 from potWhy couldn't hehave had a queen?Even worse quads:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [8h 8d]koba777: raises $0.50 to $1Chidad: folds mybuddyherky: folds mybuddyherky leaves the tableSuperfly1: calls $1Nebgonf: folds albyke: folds thecandle: calls $1Golden_sun: folds Golden_sun is sitting outbackbonz: folds pokerhancho joins the table at seat #3 sqirel7986 has timed out while being disconnectedsqirel7986 is being treated as all-in*** FLOP *** [Js Jh 8s]sqirel7986 is disconnected koba777: bets $0.50Superfly1: folds sqirel7986 is connected thecandle: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [Js Jh 8s] [8c]koba777: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2koba777: folds *** RIVER *** [Js Jh 8s 8c] [3c]*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [8h 8d] (four of a kind, Eights)thecandle collected $4.25 from side potWhy couldn't he have had a jack and capped it all the way??:)A just painfull AA hand:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ac Ad]TerpsHoops: folds KUTKE: folds hitting hard: folds Monoatomic: folds Golden_sun: checks thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1engine32: folds koba777: folds capone151: folds Robshev: calls $0.50Golden_sun: folds *** FLOP *** [Qc 9h Td]Robshev: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Robshev: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [Qc 9h Td] [3c]Robshev: bets $1thecandle: raises $1 to $2Robshev: calls $1*** RIVER *** [Qc 9h Td 3c] [Kc]Robshev: bets $1thecandle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***Robshev: shows [Jd Kd] (a straight, Nine to King)thecandle: mucks hand Robshev collected $10.50 from pot/shrug. I guess some of the time the guy you get in heads up with AA against will flop the nut straight.Another fun and exciting hand:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [4c 4s]thecandle: calls $0.50engine32: folds koba777: folds capone151: raises $0.50 to $1Robshev: folds TerpsHoops: raises $0.50 to $1.50KUTKE: folds hitting hard: folds Monoatomic: folds thecandle: calls $1capone151: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9d 4h 6s]thecandle: bets $0.50capone151: folds TerpsHoops: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50TerpsHoops: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [9d 4h 6s] [Kc]thecandle: bets $1TerpsHoops: calls $1*** RIVER *** [9d 4h 6s Kc] [Qd]thecandle: bets $1TerpsHoops: raises $1 to $2thecandle: raises $1 to $3TerpsHoops: raises $1 to $4Betting is cappedthecandle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***TerpsHoops: shows [Qc Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)thecandle: mucks hand TerpsHoops collected $17.50 from potTwo outers happen.Cest la vie.I gues sometimes youi'll get in with KK against Q8s and the guy you're heads up with will runner runner straights:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Kc Kd]Papabear20: folds rusteee: folds AmineR: folds koba777: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1Golden_sun: folds Steepwater: calls $1April03: folds Platnum: calls $0.75T.Undertaker: folds *** FLOP *** [4d 9d 4s]Platnum: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Steepwater: calls $0.50Platnum: folds *** TURN *** [4d 9d 4s] [Tc]thecandle: bets $1Steepwater: calls $1*** RIVER *** [4d 9d 4s Tc] [Jh]thecandle: bets $1Steepwater: raises $1 to $2thecandle: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***Steepwater: shows [Qd 8d] (a straight, Eight to Queen)thecandle: mucks hand Steepwater collected $10 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $10.50 | Rake $0.50 Cest la vie.Still turned a profit, but only like 3BB/100. Unacceptable!! :)Really not bad considering I played a couple of hands like crap and lost like 15BB to a rivered two outer.ResultsStarting Bankroll: $330.11Ending Bankroll: $342.71Playtime: 400 Net: $12 ish.BB/100: 3 Link to post Share on other sites
JFarrell20 1 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I wonder if Dominiksdad knows he crossed paths with you? Link to post Share on other sites
monoatomic 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I wasn't complaining about the QQ...just smirking the fact that I tried to push you out with the over card and the flush draw and you called all the way and got to a draw that hit my hand as well..Was nice sitting in on your game today to see the master in action. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Made 12BB/hour for 4 hours so far @ 2/4 thanks to this experiment. woot. Link to post Share on other sites
shamhawks 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 smash,question on AK off...I see that you almost always raise pre no matter your position. I'm having a terrible run with Ak off lately...since i installed pokertracker, i've had it 15 times and won only 1 time...i have only raised pre-flop about 50-55% of the time.The book i read (low-limit -lee jones) does not suggest raising with AK off in most situations..he only says raise it early if you think you can eliminate players...or raise in middle with 3 or less callers.This hand is by far losing me the most money and wanted your take on it.Take care Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hey Smash,I'm surprised I didn't see you on, as I moved up today too. Up 88 BB in 370 hands, approximately 24 BB / 100 (unsustainable) mostly due to lack of bad beats on me. Anyways hope to see you around.And one thing, who are the FCPers on there? I know DNA4ever right now, but that's it. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Author Share Posted March 3, 2005 The book i read (low-limit -lee jones) does not suggest raising with AK off in most situations..he only says raise it early if you think you can eliminate players...or raise in middle with 3 or less callers. Yeah, he's wrong.When I play badly I often say "I was playing like Lee Jones"Burn that thing and go buy SSHE. Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Yeah, he's wrong.When I play badly I often say "I was playing like Lee Jones"Burn that thing and go buy SSHE. My new away message Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Smash,The second last hand with the 4'sLimping UTG then calling a raise, reraise.Is that right? Link to post Share on other sites
harvey 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 The book i read (low-limit -lee jones) does not suggest raising with AK off in most situations..he only says raise it early if you think you can eliminate players...or raise in middle with 3 or less callers.I believe he corrects most of these type of mistakes in the second edition... if you like that book you might wanna look at that. Although, Small Stakes holdem is much better as pointed out. In fact, here is a really nice spreadsheet of the starting hand material from SSHM. Take note of the two tabs for both loose and tight tables :-)http://www.jade-dragon.net/poker/preflop.xls (this was posted on twoplustwo for those concerned about copyright).you can compare that to your lee jones suggestions, and decide what you like better. Link to post Share on other sites
Roark_8 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Smash,The second last hand with the 4'sLimping UTG then calling a raise, reraise.Is that right?I was thinking that as well. I hadn't seen you call that much preflop action before with a low PP. Something about the table that would make you do this? Roark Link to post Share on other sites
tsimon 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 The book i read (low-limit -lee jones) does not suggest raising with AK off in most situations..he only says raise it early if you think you can eliminate players...or raise in middle with 3 or less callers.I believe he corrects most of these type of mistakes in the second edition... if you like that book you might wanna look at that. Although, Small Stakes holdem is much better as pointed out. In fact, here is a really nice spreadsheet of the starting hand material from SSHM. Take note of the two tabs for both loose and tight tables :-)http://www.jade-dragon.net/poker/preflop.xls (this was posted on twoplustwo for those concerned about copyright).you can compare that to your lee jones suggestions, and decide what you like better.A couple questions on this chart:1) In Late position, what does the R4 column represent. I thought at first that it meant a raise to 4 bets, but that doesn't make sense based on what he says to do with the hands in this case.2) There isn't a column for the Re-Reraise. Does Sklansky essentially say to play this the same as a Reraise Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 R4 - Against a Raise if at least 4 have entered the pot before youOn the legend tab Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Ok love this stuff this morning...First on the charts from 2+2, A raise and a reraise will be up to you based on the table, player reads etc., if you want to call or cap.R4 is if there are 4 people in the pot to give you correct odds to play the hand, same w/C4.This chart is excellent and very useful for newer limit players. Also note the 2 different charts for loose or tight.Now to smash today.. I have been anxiously awaiting the skip from 25/50 to 50/1. It's amazing the variance of play between the two limits. The first usually being extremely loose and the next being very tight usually. I was wondering how it would effect smash's play and we can see the difference today. Cold calling 2 bets with 44? Wouldn't have seen that at the lower limits. AT played more and alot more blind steal attempts and all sorts of good stuff. 88 was also played very loosely. To me this stuff was straight from Theory of Poker, where Sklansky talks about the difference in bluffing, semi-bluffing in loose and tight games. Alot of these hands smash would have folded at the lower limits, in the rockish games he raised with them. Great stuff! Link to post Share on other sites
JackTheCat 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Maybe I missed it, but what is your current bankroll on your way to the grand?Thanks,JackTheCat"IT'S ALL GOOD!" Link to post Share on other sites
dominiksdad 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I wonder if Dominiksdad knows he crossed paths with you?Smash left the table shortly after I arrived - I think he was scared of me Link to post Share on other sites
fryer98 30 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Maybe I missed it, but what is your current bankroll on your way to the grand?Thanks,JackTheCat"IT'S ALL GOOD!" Starting Bankroll: $330.11Ending Bankroll: $342.71 I'm guessing that's what you were asking. Link to post Share on other sites
JackTheCat 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 yes thank you very much.JackTheCat Link to post Share on other sites
69suited 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 A couple questions on this chart:1) In Late position, what does the R4 column represent. I thought at first that it meant a raise to 4 bets, but that doesn't make sense based on what he says to do with the hands in this case.2) There isn't a column for the Re-Reraise. Does Sklansky essentially say to play this the same as a ReraiseAny good advice or charts for a six handed limit game? Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 There is a legend at the bottom left that says loose tight legend odds. 6max is a whole new ballgame have fun. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 A couple questions on this chart:1) In Late position' date=' what does the R4 column represent. Â I thought at first that it meant a raise to 4 bets, but that doesn't make sense based on what he says to do with the hands in this case.2) There isn't a column for the Re-Reraise. Â Does Sklansky essentially say to play this the same as a Reraise[/quote']Any good advice or charts for a six handed limit game?I just use the same chart and cut out early position. Link to post Share on other sites
harvey 0 Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Any good advice or charts for a six handed limit gameOne thing I find useful for short handed games is the EV charts at pokerroom.comhttp://www.pokerroom.com/games/evstats/pos....php?players=10if you modify the number 10 in that URL to the number of players in your game, you can see how the EV of certain hands change. You can use that information to adjust your strategy.--Also, I forgot there are some minor errors in that version of the spreadsheet I posted. Here is a .pdf with the changes, I just manually corrected the spreadsheet with these changes, but you may like the .pdf better since it has a better odds chart....http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/c/jccuneo/preflop.pdf (from twoplustwo again)here is the thread where all these charts and the discussion can be found:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...=7&o=14&fpart=1 Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now