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[Bizzle]

I don't have the HH because I am at work but

I am in a 3R to the WSOP 650 qualie.
Payouts- 1st-3rd get the 650 seat, 4th gets $105.

Player profiles-
Joe BigStack-550k, has been playing fairly tight, but has been picking up a lot of dead money pots. Hasn't played a big pot since he cracked one of the small stacks.
Jim MediumStack-230k, one of the best players on Stars, especially in other games. Has been very aggressive in taking blinds, but has shown an unwillingness to gamble.
Jamie SemiShortStack-160k, the loosest and biggest gambler at the table. Has already been all in preflop for a lot of chips with AJ, and with K9 on a J98 flop.
Hero-130k.

Joe is BB for 8k, Jamie is SB for 4k. Jim raises UTG to 24k. Hero with A10o ???

[Bubba83]

Fold.

[PoppinFresh]

push-a-lush

[strategy]

The way you describe it, the situation is very rough. I don't think you can wait Jamie out because of the way the table is situated: you cannot steal Jamie's blinds due to the high probability of getting called, but Jamie is free to take from the others because of his/her image. I think you have to push.

[Bubba83]

We have 16x big blinds, why is this a push? I realize the guy is stealing blinds a lot, and we can benefit pretty nicely if we just pick this pot up, but is it really worth it? I think if we were last to act maybe it would be a push but we have to worry about two people behind us waking up with a hand. If the player stealing a lot but unwilling to gamble is as good as you say, he may realize he is prone to re-steals by observant players and call here with something as weak as a small pocket pair or AJ.

[amarillotg]

fold.

no 1st in vig. 2 players still left to act. i fold and hope that jamie shortstack goes nuts before i get too desperate.

[Mercury69]

I would fold here, as it's likely the bettors aren't going to go away. All-In gives someone pot odds. Flat call gives you 4 way pot, which can't be all that great with AT and there's no guarantee someone won't come over the top.

Fold 50%
Push 20%
Call 30%

But I'm still a rookie...

[shpaget]

I actually like a call here, use your position to your advantage post flop. There's nothing wrong with getting away from this hand with over 100k if the flop is ugly.

If Jamie pushes, call if Jim folds, fold if Jim calls.

If Joe pushes and Jim folds, flip a coin.

[amarillotg]

I think if we were last to act maybe it would be a push but we have to worry about two people behind us waking up with a hand.

this is the point i was trying to get across.

[NocturnalRob]

this is the point i was trying to get across.

agreed. and as you say, 16x bb. you're fine to wait another couple rounds.

Gambit rulez.

[No_Neck]

I don't really know what I am taking about but wouldn't we be less inclinded to gamble because the next shortest stack is a crazy lag and eventually he is going to get caught by the big stacks and bust, then we get our seat?

[amarillotg]

Gambit rulez.

yes, yes he does.

[mk]

I fold this for the reasons others have mentioned plus a few others:

1.) no first-in vig
2.) 2 big stacks left to act
3.) AT is a weakish hand, easily dominated
3.) villain is loose and could easily bust on THIS HAND if one of the big stacks pick up a hand.
4.) you aren't in desperation territory quite yet, and even if you get there, villain in this hand likely won't be far off either.
5.) this late in a tourney, losing chips loses far more prize EV than winning chips gains EV, particularly in a satellite structure like this.

i hate calling more than jamming.

[Bizzle]

So do I post results, or do I wait for Copper to tell me to fold?

[mk]

So do I post results, or do I wait for Copper to tell me to fold?

u know that's what he'd say. let's hear the bad news.

[Bizzle]

u know that's what he'd say. let's hear the bad news.

Hehe. I jammed. My thinking was along the line of Strat-I could pick up a good amount of chips (about 20% of my stack), pull even with the guy who was just ahead of me. I knew that Jim's range would be quite narrow (we have played before and I knew he wouldn't gamble on a seat when it was clear we were the best two players at the table) so I could limit his range to JJ+, AK. Naturally, Jamie immediately overjams, the big stack folds, and Jim thought for a while and folded snickering (saying he had QQ). Jamie had AK, and although we hit an ace, I didn't catch a 10. On a sidebar, Jim said in an email that he would have called had Jamie not overcalled, and he would have called Jamie's jam, and flopped a set, so if I fold I snag my second $650 seat of the night.

Just a rough hand, even moreso because of the shorthanded-ness of the table.

[PoppinFresh]

ISAL.

I didn't see that this was a satellite, that makes it a lot closer but I still like a push, calling also strikes me as an interesting option that might be better. Ima think about this hand some

[copernicus]

Fold, and without a second thought.

2d high stack is the least likely hand to standard raise without the goods in a 3 seat satellite. He has no incentive to move up, but playing loose OOP is a surefire road to losing a spot he has a solid hold on right now.

Unless hes a total idiot he has 88+, AK, AQ.

In the long run it doesnt matter anyway, since Bizzle is guaranteed 3rd no matter what he does.

Edit:

[Vick12]

Fold, and without a second thought.

2d high stack is the least likely hand to standard raise without the goods in a 3 seat satellite. He has no incentive to move up, but playing loose OOP is a surefire road to losing a spot he has a solid hold on right now.

Unless hes a total idiot he has 88+, AK, AQ.

In the long run it doesnt matter anyway, since Bizzle is guaranteed 3rd no matter what he does.

Edit:

Coper

As you can see, our boy Bizzle has found new calling...taking 4th when there are 3 seats to be won!!!

I was watching Bizzle play this hand as I was busy torching dual $4 180 MTT's (8th and 1st). I would agree w/ you and fold, but I didn't give him that advice at the time because his response would have been "You always say fold!!!"

I also agree w/ MK 10000%...in later stages of sattelittes, the chips you can save are often worth far more than the chips you can potentially accumulate. Also, never underestimate your opponents inabilty to correctly play this late in a Sattelite.

That being said, Bizzle and I have an understanding that can basically be summed up best this way.

I am constantly telling him to pick better spots and tighten up.

He is constantly telling me to loosen up and gamble more.

Usually...we are both right!!!