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[aim786]

I find myself running into this situation quite often, but I don't know what the right move is. Assuming straight forward oppenents at a shorthanded or full table, everyone folds to the SB who just completes. Your in the BB, what do you do?

Now I know I have'nt given the BB a hand, because I don't think it much matters. Should I be raising this everytime, or almost everytime? Or does what I have actually matter in this situation?

[Zach6668]

Depends on limits.

I'm assuming the lowest because who the crap open completes from the SB except for the uber-retards.

If so, it doesn't matter if you raise. If won't affect anything as far as how the hand plays, IMO.

- Zach

[aim786]

Depends on limits.

I'm assuming the lowest because who the crap open completes from the SB except for the uber-retards.

If so, it doesn't matter if you raise. If won't affect anything as far as how the hand plays, IMO.

- Zach

I'm running into this at 1/2 SH/full! I think the problem with just checking hands like A4o here is that the SB can bet out on any flop (with something, but even as a pure bluff), and we can't call it unless we hit the flop. By raising however, we take control of the hand *with* position. After all, isnt that the point of open raising on the button?

[Zach6668]

I'm running into this at 1/2 SH/full! I think the problem with just checking hands like A4o here is that the SB can bet out on any flop (with something, but even as a pure bluff), and we can't call it unless we hit the flop. By raising however, we take control of the hand *with* position. After all, isnt that the point of open raising on the button?

Half the time we raise, he donks into us anyways. I really don't care to fight over such a pointlessly small pot by trying to figure out if he's bluffing or not, or if my A high is good. Half of the time, he checks to us, and we can take a stab at it if we like. The other times, if we do have something, he'll pay for it.

Aim, I'm pretty indifferent to raising or not from the BB. A lot of the time I will, other times, I'm just not worried about such a small pot.

- Zach

[aim786]

Half the time we raise, he donks into us anyways. I really don't care to fight over such a pointlessly small pot by trying to figure out if he's bluffing or not, or if my A high is good. Half of the time, he checks to us, and we can take a stab at it if we like. The other times, if we do have something, he'll pay for it.

Aim, I'm pretty indifferent to raising or not from the BB. A lot of the time I will, other times, I'm just not worried about such a small pot.

- Zach

Damn, I have to start thinking like that more. Something along the lines of, "It's not about how many pots you win...."

I think I'm on to something, lol!

[Zach6668]

Damn, I have to start thinking like that more. Something along the lines of, "It's not about how many pots you win...."

I think I'm on to something, lol!

Actuary is good for this. It's not about winning pots, it's about winning money.

[BuffDan]

Depends on limits.

I'm assuming the lowest because who the crap open completes from the SB except for the uber-retards.

If so, it doesn't matter if you raise. If won't affect anything as far as how the hand plays, IMO.

- Zach

At risk of being an uber-retard, why is this (open-limping from the sb) such a bad move?

[LongLiveYorke]

At risk of being an uber-retard, why is this (open-limping from the sb) such a bad move?

Because for any hand you're going to play, raising is soooo much better against just the big blind. Assuming we are talking about low limits, that is.

[Zach6668]

At risk of being an uber-retard, why is this (open-limping from the sb) such a bad move?

Open limping means being the first one into the pot, and just limping. It doesn't mean just completing from the sb.

[Actuary]

I must be a retard.

[iggymcfly]

I used to be in the "always raise" camp until someone explained to me why it's pointless to consistently build a pot OOP every time you enter.

Now, I tend to limp hands suited connectors, suited gappers, and A-x, while raising high cards and pairs and folding trash.

The A-x limp is a favorite of mine as your opponent will "know" that you weren't limping with an ace, and they'll usually either bet the flop and turn or the flop and river to try to take the pot from you.

[kidpoker1218]

RAISE, everytime, if there is no raise behind you, but after the first limp raise, slow it down a bit and wait till two times around.

[Zach6668]

I must be a retard.

Are you telling me you open-complete from the SB?

[Actuary]

Are you telling me you open-complete from the SB?

yes, yes indeed, I am telling you that.

[Zach6668]

yes, yes indeed, I am telling you that.

Why would you do that? Don't want to play a big pot OOP? Keep it small?

[zimmer4141]

Like Actuary, I guess I am a retard too. I do it with a lot of hands because if you keep the pot small, the BB has less incentive to bluff and use his positional advantage. Also, often times you can bet the flop no matter what and take it down.

[Zach6668]

Like Actuary, I guess I am a retard too. I do it with a lot of hands because if you keep the pot small, the BB has less incentive to bluff and use his positional advantage. Also, often times you can bet the flop no matter what and take it down.

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[jayboogie]

If the BB is competent, I wouldn't try to steal as often. I'm also not raising as much against somebody who is never giving up their BB. If you're constantly raising from the sb, the bb isn't stupid, he'll pick up that you don't always have a hand and play back at you. This is not exactly the ideal situation to be in with junk and OOP.

I think the key to playing from the sb is mixing it up. Limp once in a while, even with a stronger hand will let you limp in with the more speculative hands cheaper. Not to say raising all the time can't be a good strategy, it can be, but it won't cut it when you play against better players who know they have a positional advantage and 3:1 odds on their money PF. I'm generally calling almost every hand in the BB against a SB raise.

[Zach6668]

What range of hands are you playing out of the sb? Are you going to raise or call with any two cards, or are we letting some hands go?

I've been either folding or raising from the SB.

- Zach

[jayboogie]

What range of hands are you playing out of the sb? Are you going to raise or call with any two cards, or are we letting some hands go?

I've been either folding or raising from the SB.

- Zach

Assuming the blind structures are 1/2 and not 2/3 to make things easier.

The hands you play depend on your own style and whether you are comfortable playing more hands or less and also the table conditions. If the BB isn't letting anything go PF, I'll do more limping with speculative hands like 67 offsuit and etc. If I don't see him as someone who defends much, I'll raise any 2 cards, until he starts playing back. So, really it depends on the table conditions.

You should always remember that anytime you are in the sb against the bb with a random hand, you are in a -EV situation, because you are OOP, so that right there automatically makes playing/raising every hand from the sb a mistake, unless the table conditions dictate otherwise.