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Flush Draw From Bb - Anybody Get Creative Here?


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#1 GodOfEntropy

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 12:25 AM

SB is your basic LPP while UTG is an unknown.

What line do you take on all streets? On the turn, do you try to represent the Ace or trip 2's with a donk bet or check-raise? Against what types of players would you try this?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with [4h], [Jh].
UTG raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) [Th], [2h], [2s] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) [As] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) [Jd] (2 players)
Hero ...

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 12:33 AM

hmm, I think i play it like you, and i probably fold the river.

betting the turn sucks, you charge yourself two way too often.

i fold this preflop. anyone else?


I wouldn't get creative here, pretty risky against an unknown.
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#3 MrNiceGuy

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:14 AM

I'm not seeing a tempting spot to try anything here, out of position against the aggressor.

I play it the same, and I'm betting that river. Not knowing villain, I think I call if he raises.

I think the preflop call is close, but I'm guessing probably slightly +EV.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 05:30 AM

I fold preflop, and I c/f the river.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 07:19 AM

I play it the same. Im c/cing river. Getting 7,5-1 you can't fold. Btw, representing is not the way to go in 0,5-1. Opponents play their cards, and rarely pay attention to what you are doing.

MNG, I can't see why you would bet out on the river? Hands that are calling are stronger then hands that we call when c/cing.
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#6 MrNiceGuy

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (Verdimme @ Saturday, March 25th, 2006, 5:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I play it the same. Im c/cing river. Getting 7,5-1 you can't fold. Btw, representing is not the way to go in 0,5-1. Opponents play their cards, and rarely pay attention to what you are doing.

MNG, I can't see why you would bet out on the river? Hands that are calling are stronger then hands that we call when c/cing.


I guess my thinking is that any T, middle PP, or K-high will likely check behind on the river, but would call a bet. Any A probably bets the river, but just calls a bet.

And the board is scary enough that villain would be hard-pressed to raise unless he has KQ (and didn't take the free turn card) or a full house, or if he's weak but decides to bluff-raise.
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Posted 25 March 2006 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (Verdimme @ Saturday, March 25th, 2006, 8:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I play it the same. Im c/cing river. Getting 7,5-1 you can't fold. Btw, representing is not the way to go in 0,5-1. Opponents play their cards, and rarely pay attention to what you are doing.

MNG, I can't see why you would bet out on the river? Hands that are calling are stronger then hands that we call when c/cing.


I like check/calling too.

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Posted 25 March 2006 - 02:56 PM

QUOTE (screech @ Sunday, March 26th, 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like check/calling too.


You don't think we do a lot better against villain's calling range than against his betting range? I can't see most people betting a T or a middle PP here or K high, but I can see them calling with them.... With a read that villain was willing to attempt thin R value bets, or if he was hyperaggressive and loved to bluff his way through hands, I'd c/c, but against an unknown, I'm not sure c/c is even better than c/f.....
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Posted 26 March 2006 - 06:11 PM

I'm probablly going to check-raise this flop and check-call down after. If an ace didn't come up I'd lead.




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