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[rusmac31]

Ok...I just read the poker quiz #5 and my vote is move all-in.Soooooo....the 64% of you guys that said push all-in, how many of you said fold or raise the minimum with A10s in an almost identical situation?KDawg, come on, I saw your vote, you said push all in with A7os with 5 people left.Help me understand the difference with pushing in with A7os on the button when it is folded to you and pushing in with A10s in the small blind with everyone folding to you?The situation is almost identical...help me understand pushing all-in with A7os and not A10s?

[KDawgCometh]

rusmac31 said:

Ok...I just read the poker quiz #5 and my vote is move all-in.Soooooo....the 64% of you guys that said push all-in, how many of you said fold or raise the minimum with A10s in an almost identical situation?KDawg, come on, I saw your vote, you said push all in with A7os with 5 people left.Help me understand the difference with pushing in with A7os on the button when it is folded to you and pushing in with A10s in the small blind with everyone folding to you?The situation is almost identical...help me understand pushing all-in with A7os and not A10s?

the situation isn't identical. Daniel didn't say that this was a bubble situation where things then change. Taht is the difference. Read the question before you call me out :roll:

[rusmac31]

Kdawg, I'm not meaning to disrespect or "call you out" just trying to understand your rational.With 5 people left in a single table tournament, I think it's safe to say it's a "bubble" situation (assuming it pays 3 places).I read the question and most of the responses and the general understanding was with 5 players left it's a bubble situation.What is significantly different about the 2 situations? Are you saying that at a 10 person single table tourny, 5 people left is not a bubble situation but 4 people left is?

[rusmac31]

Here is one of your responses to the question:yes A7o is more often than not the best hand against a blind handI 100% agree with this statement...Honestly, I'm not trying to call you out, but you are adament that raising all-in with A10s is not the right play on the bubble but raising all-in with A7os is? The two positions seem to contradict themselves.If the main point of your position is that "the 2 situations" are different because 5 people left in a 1 table tourny is not "on the bubble" but 4 players is "on the bubble"....then we can respectfully agree to disagree (no big deal)Regards

[wrto4556]

Look, with the ATs example, someone had such a small stack that they would be all in with any random hand on the next round. That's the difference. Unless i'm getting things mixed up...in that case, tell me.Also, with the A7o example, you have 5xBB!! You are going to be blinded out and that is a poker "no no".See the difference?With 10xBB on the bubble you can wait for a while to see if someone will get knocked out, with 5xBB noone is going to make a move before you...so, A7o is a perfect time, especially against the blinds.What makes daniel's quiz so hard, is that the small blind has few chips, too. And it would seem logical to wait until he is blinded out, but it's not right in that situation because you only have 5xBB yourself and will be done to 3.5xBB by the time he is in the big blind, leaving you with 3.5xBB on the bubble. Horibble position to be in.

[rusmac31]

WRTO...let me just start by saying that I've read many of your posts so I definitely respect your opinion... (not that I don't respect anyone else's)In the A10s example, Farrell also had 5x the blinds (same as Daniels example). I agree with you that if Farrell had 10x the blinds, waiting for the small stack to go out would've been the better play.You are correct in that in Farrell's situation, the short stack was in the big blind next with any random hand.The only differences that I can see between the quiz and Farrell's situation is that there were 5 people instead of 4 and in Farrell's situation the 4th guy had .5x the Big Blind and was about to be in the big blind.I also realize that the likely hood of the short stack in Farrell's example busting out on one of the next 2 hands is highly probable, there is also the possibility (albeit small) that he doubles or triples up on the next hand.Again, I enjoy the discussion...your thoughts?

[wrto4556]

rusmac31 said:

The only differences that I can see between the quiz and Farrell's situation is that there were 5 people instead of 4 and in Farrell's situation the 4th guy had .5x the Big Blind and was about to be in the big blind.

That's the big difference. If JFarrell waits, he is in the money...If DN waits, he is still on the bubble.

rusmac31 said:

I also realize that the likely hood of the short stack in Farrell's example busting out on one of the next 2 hands is highly probable, there is also the possibility (albeit small) that he doubles or triples up on the next hand.

If he doubles up, he still only has 1xBB...And it's highly unlikely he's going to double up.

rusmac31 said:

Again, I enjoy the discussion.

Me too.

[Metro]

wrto4556 said:

What makes daniel's quiz so hard, is that the small blind has few chips, too. And it would seem logical to wait until he is blinded out, but it's not right in that situation because you only have 5xBB yourself and will be done to 3.5xBB by the time he is in the big blind, leaving you with 3.5xBB on the bubble. Horibble position to be in.

Another point to note here is that the short stack here is just passing out of the blinds if he lays down. That gives him a few more hands to get a hand/double up, which in turn puts all the pressure on you considering you will 1. Have the blinds breathing down your neck and 2. Be the shortstack at the table.